May 20, 2026

What If Your Best Years Are Still Ahead? Rethinking Health, Aging, and Longevity After 60+

What If Your Best Years Are Still Ahead? Rethinking Health, Aging, and Longevity After 60+
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Season 2

Michael Dorfman is well past 80 years old and living proof that the later chapters of life can still be full of growth, vitality, and purpose. In this episode, we explore how food, mindset, breathwork, intermittent fasting, stress management, and the lessons of the Blue Zones can help us rethink what healthy aging really looks like. Whether you’re approaching retirement or already in it, this conversation will help you ask a better question: what if your best years are still ahead?

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as well as a focus on health and wellness. Now,

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let's join your hosts, Banita Bell Anderson as together we

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start with Asking Good Questions.

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Hello, and welcome to the Ask Good Questions Podcast. I

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am your host, Benita bell Anderson, and I'm so glad

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that you're here today. Oh my gosh, the topic today

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is going to blow you away. The guest is going

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to blow you away. It's going to be some very

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very important information about staying healthy for a very very

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long time. And so with that, i'd like to invite

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to the podcast stage my guest, Michael Dorfmann.

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Thank you, Anita, it's great to be here. I was

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looking forward to this.

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Yeah, and Michael is actually in Mexico. I'm in Hawaii.

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Our engineer is in Florida. So it's a good technology.

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When it works is fantastic. So let me tell you

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a little bit about Michael. He's eighty four and a half.

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He's making sure I put that in that he's eighty

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four four and a half. He's a certified health and

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nutrition coach and what he calls an investigative author and

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a thriving example of plant based longevity. He is based

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in let me see if I say this right, San

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Miguel de Allende, Mexico, Allende, Allende.

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It's a y.

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Yes, I knew that. And he spent the last seventeen

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and a half eighteen years there, right, And he's been

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living and coaching there and teaching people about aging vibrantly

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without chronic disease, which I think everybody should be interested in.

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He adopted a vegetarian lifestyle in nineteen seventy six long

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time ago now, transitioned to a whole food plant based

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lifestyle in two thousand and eight and earned his certification

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in plant based nutrition in twenty nineteen. So what were

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you like when you got that?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. So his book, he's got several books, actually,

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The Thriving Vegan exposes how the food and pharmaceutical industries

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mislead the public and how individuals can reclaim their health.

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He has a book called The Longevity Wellness Revolution, which

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has practical tools from the Blue Zones which I want

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to get into, as well as his discoveries including breath

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work and intermitute fasting and stress reduction. He's also got

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another book that I think is the latest one, maybe Michael,

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Information Warfare, The Battle for Truth and Freedom.

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Well, that was the previous one that was published in

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well two years ago in twenty twenty four. This is

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the latest one, The Longevity Wellness Revolution.

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Okay, awesome, Okay, Well, anyway you can tell he's passionate

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about showing that it's ever too late to live with

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energy and purpose and joy. So welcome Michael. Anything to add.

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Well, not really, I'm I'm in the journey, a journey

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as I age, and I'm just I just want to

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help people. I want to guide people who are interested

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working on a course now to online course. So yeah,

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that's what I'm all about. Yeah.

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Well, I mean at eighty four, almost eighty five, you

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describe yourself as not just talking about vibrant aging, but

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living it, which is I think is the big big

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deal here. What do you wish people understood about what

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is possible later in life?

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Well, you know, I think a very important theme now

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it's really growing in popularities longevity. So people are living

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low longer, but that doesn't mean you're living really well.

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their eighties, even through their nineties. But what I'm talking about,

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and I'm trying to express and share with people, we

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have the potential to really flourish and thrive past eighty

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and so I call that the fifth stage of life

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from eighty on, so we can really enjoy the eighties

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as well as we enjoyed the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties

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and so on.

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they're thinking about decline. I think, how did you begin

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to see aging differently? I'm betting it's been part of

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seventy six, I became a vegetarian. It wasn't really that

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for health reasons. I became a vegetarian because I was

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interested in Eastern philosophy and religion, and on that side

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of the world people a lot of people were vegetarians,

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so I figured, well, i'll do that too, So I

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did that, but I wasn't really you know, every year

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I was getting sick, not terribly ill. I would get

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flu like symptoms, fever, congestion, headaches or throat and it

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was happening every year, and I just went along with it.

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really that interested in the health. And then my brother,

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who had been plant based at that time, we're talking

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about in the seventies, nineteen seventies, even before the word

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I think many people even knew about the word vegan.

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So he told me, well, maybe the problem was the

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dairy which I was eating as a vegetarian. But I

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didn't want to give up dairy because I just loved pizza.

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so I just couldn't give it up, and I kept

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on going, kept on going until he told me about

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this book by T. Colin Campbell, which is the China Study,

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and that's what turned me around, because I really became

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interested after that, and actually I received my certification and

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plant based the nutrition from T. Colin Campbell his group.

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So I read the book and that was I became.

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I decided to give up the dairy and the eggs,

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and that was close to set eighteen years ago, and

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that changed my life. I just didn't never looked back.

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It didn't get sick from then on, these yearly illnesses,

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but was really what was really important for me as

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far as my journey to really want to help people.

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Came about interesting story a friend of my wife and mine.

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She was also living in Mexico. I've been living in

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Mexico for a total of fifty three years because I

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lived thirty. I lived thirty, we lived my wife and I.

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We lived thirty is in Cancun before moving here. But

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we had a friend. It was actually it was my

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wife's closest friend, Beatrice, and she lived in the island

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of Cozumel. And she had a heart attack and one

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year and she was rushed to the hospital had a

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quadruple bypass surgery. A order was replaced by one of

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her veins from her leg, and then it was a

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successful operation, even though she did have a heart attack

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while she was it was pretty severe while she was

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on the tay operating table. So anyway, they sent her

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home and she was okay for a while, and a

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year passed and then she started having pains in one

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of her arm arms, and that's one of the signs

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of possible cardiovascular disease. So they wrote it, took her

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back to the hospital, and they decided they were going

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to put a stent in, which is very common for

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people who have had bypass surgery. And so at that

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time I was doing research. I was already two years

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as a implant based which I now call plant powered nutrition,

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and I was reading a lot of books. So one

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of the books by Coldwell led doctor Caldwell Esselstein, who

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happened to be the chief of staff at the Cleveland

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Clinic and one of the top surgeons there. He's in

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his nineties and now is still active.

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YEA.

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So I read the book Preventing Reverse heart disease. And

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at the very top of the book it says the

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book that changed Bill Clinton's life because he was getting

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stents after his surgery and then he became plant based.

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I don't know if he still is or what percentage,

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but she's still around anyway. So I gave Beatrice the book.

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Oh one thing I forgot to mention, this was like

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maybe the most important part. They didn't tell Beatrice because

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they couldn't put the stent in that. And they told

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my wife and they told her son that she had

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about six months to live. Oh that need tell her.

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They didn't tell her, fortunately, because you know what happens.

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They tell people, oh, you got three months, and they

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go when it's three months up. So they didn't tell

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her that, and they sent her home. And the book

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I was reading, Preventing Reverse Heart Disease by doctor Eselstein,

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I gave it to Beatrice and I said, look, I

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didn't tell her anything. She didn't even know that she

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had six months to live until where many years later.

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So she said she's gonna make the change. So she

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became plant based because that's what the Eselstein's diet was

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when he was a surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic. There

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were so many patients that were so far gone as

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far as their situation, their hearts and their cardiovascular disease.

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He was getting these people and putting him on his

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special diet, which was a whole food plant based and

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he was having ninety five percent success rate.

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Wow.

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So I gave her the book and she made the change.

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And the end of the story is that instead of

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living the six months, she lived almost ten years. So

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that was and that was for me, had a great

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impact on my life. And that's when I decided that

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people need to know about this, and I started questioning

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the whole medical profession. You know, even people who go

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through the heart surgery at least, why don't they get

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a proper nutrition to follow and what's tried and true,

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you know, And they don't because they're not trained in that.

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They you know, they very few courses doing a doctor's

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training are given on on nutrition and hell and lifestyle.

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So that's what the problem is. So the end is

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they give you know, you can manage your disease. You know,

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we'll give you the drugs to manage the disease or

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the interventions. And so that turned me around and then

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I found out, you know, with more research, because going

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back to investigative author I do a lot of research.

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I still do, and uh, you know, I just uh,

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I know that there are other diseases that can be

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either prevented or even reversed with the nutrition and lifestyle choice. Michael, Yeah,

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that's part of what I do and keeps me going.

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Well, you talk about this fifth stage of life. I

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don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. I think

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it's a brilliant way to put it as this stage

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of life from eighty to one hundred plus. So what

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does that stage? I mean, you're in it. So what

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does that stage mean to you? And why do you

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believe we need a new blueprint a new way of

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looking at life?

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Well, I created I think I created the fifth stage.

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That's a term that I like. From the eighty and beyond.

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The first stage is I took. I divided them, divided

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the life into like twenty year you know, portions sections.

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So you go the first year first, Well, when you're

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born till you're nineteen, you go through a lot of

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you know, you're growing, you know, you're learning, you're experimenting.

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The hormones are everything is like dynamic in your life,

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as you say, you know, because you're in the growing stage.

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So those are the first nineteen years. Then from twenty

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to thirty nine you're you know, everybody, but most people,

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you go to school, you get a job, you meet somebody,

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you have a family, and you have it, you know,

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so that's what you go for. The thirty nine from

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forty to fifty nine, supposedly you have some sort of success,

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do your truly to leave home, and now you're you know,

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you're just enjoying your life. And then from sixty to

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seventy nine is when you know, I'm thinking about retiring

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and what do I do when I retire? And most people,

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you know, because of you know, that's what you do.

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It's the American dream. You retire and I'm not going

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to do anything any I'm just going to sit back

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and enjoy and just scoring let you know, just tackle

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light after that way, And what it ends up is

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that maybe that information isn't that great what you're supposed

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to be doing. And because it ends up from the

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sixties and the seventies is when people start getting ill,

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and you know, when you're in yourself, these most people

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on the standing American diet, which is the main diet

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in the United States in the West, is that you

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have a decline and you started with chronic diseases started appearing.

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very much because you know, young people think that they're

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going to live forever like I did. So, but then

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you get your seventies and life what is the life

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expectancy of in the West seven in mid seventies, upper seventies,

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and we can't seem to get by that. It just

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hits the point around seventy eight and more and more

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people again, over seventy seventy five percent of people in

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their mid seventies already have at least one chronic disease.

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and I'm just saying, doesn't have to be that way.

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And so that's what I'm I'm trying to tell people

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to share.

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Well for someone in there's and I mean most of

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this audience that watch the Ask Good Questions podcasts, I

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hope they're asking some are listening to what the good

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questions are here, people that are in their fifties and

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sixties and seventies sometimes worry that it's too late. So,

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you know, I can't make any meaningful health challenge changes.

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What would you say to someone that's saying, oh, it's too.

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Late, Well, the problem is that's the mindset that people

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have because that's what we're told. That's what the medical profession,

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you know, the life expectancy. This is where it is.

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So what is you know, what can you expect to

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beyond the eighty And Yet on the other places, on

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the other side of the world where older people are

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revered and they're looked up to, we look at when

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you get older, you're over the hill, you're in your eighties.

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You know a lot of people they go into uh,

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you know, assisted living or you know, not much as

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expected from you. So you figured, well, if not much

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as expected from me, maybe there's not much I could do.

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But that needs to change. And then you know, you'd mentioned,

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you know, about the Blue zones. So I got turned

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on by the Blue zones where these are the healthiest

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and longest living people on the planet and their lifestyle

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and instead of living into their seventies, they're living into

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their late eighties, nineties and over one hundred and very well.

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So they had a lot of effect on me.

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Is that mostly people that are in I mean, okay,

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so isn't there isn't that Loma London? Is that one

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of them?

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That's the one in the US. But then you have

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well you have there. Well, can I tell a little

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bit what happened that? How this happened with the blue zones?

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Yeah, debsolutely.

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Well it was Dan Wetna who was an adventurer. He

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was working for National Geographic. It was around I think

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it was two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,

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and they the National Geographic sent him and his teams

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to explore and search for the neked for two years.

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We're the longest and healthiest living people on the planet.

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Where are they the populations? So he did that and yeah,

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it was two years approximately and the places he found, well,

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one was lomer Land in California. Interesting it's in the US.

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Then the other way, well, they have Okinawa in Japan,

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Sardinia and Italy, Ikorea in Greece, and the Koya in

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Costa Rica. So these are the places. But it wasn't

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the only to find out where they live. The search

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was to find out do they have anything in common?

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What were they doing? Yeah? What were they doing? And

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it is their similarities between because these places were separated

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by oceans and large land masses and most of them

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never even had contact with other places, and you know,

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and they were following these these lifestyles, including their nutrition,

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for hundreds of years. I don't know. I think there's

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a couple of places even thousands of years that were

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just it was passed on from generation after generation their lifestyle.

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So they found out and one of the main things

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was that they were plant based, all of each one

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of them. And I'm not saying that. And this is

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a problem I think people have that, you know, they

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they're afraid that making a change in diet is about

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the hardest thing you can do for most people. You know,

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for me, it wasn't that way because I I some

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people don't have much of a problem. It's they find

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out that, hey, this may have helped me, I'm going

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to make the change. So but for most people, there's

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so much, you know, information on alternative things to do,

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alternative diet is that it's not that easy to make

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a change. So even these blue zone populations they weren't

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necessarily one hundred percent plant based. They had some you know,

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in Okinawa they had they ate fish, and other places

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they ate meat. And then the fact that in Loma Linda,

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the pescatarian as is one of the parts of the die.

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Some are pescatarians, some are completely play a whole food

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plant based. So I think the message is you don't

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have to be perfect and you can make the chair.

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And actually even Beatrice when she lived instead of six months,

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almost ten years, she was I always say she was

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about eighty five percent plant based. So yeah, and so

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that was one of the things. Then, you know, there

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are other similarities that the blue zones had. This not

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tru moving, moving exercise. It's not necessarily going to the

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gym or you know, a yoga class once or twice

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a week. Their lives were active and part and that's

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partly because they you know, they lived in rural areas

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and they were moved a lot, you know, and they

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were it wasn't level. They had to climb stairs, they

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had to climb up hill to go to work. So

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these were simple, mostly simple people that were living that way,

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which is different for us because most of us live

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in cities and we don't have that that type of lifestyle.

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But just even you know, instead of sitting around for

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hour part an hour every single day watching TV or

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on the phone, we're being in front of a podcast.

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It's important to get up, you know, to move around,

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which I try to you know, remember every twenty minutes,

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every half hour, because you know, you can have problem

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with circulation and uh, you know the body is not

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working that well. So this exercise is moving around is

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very important. And then you have another important part is

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the caring communities. Human beings are social creatures. We really

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do very well in groups, caring groups, whether you're in

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you know, it's belief systems, whether religion, whether it's activity.

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But you know, we have I'm an avid, super avid,

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avid pickleball player. So I just found that I played

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two hours this morning. And we have and we have

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we had a we have a friend in San Miguel.

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San Miguel is one of the most popular places in

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Mexico for expats. We have over two hundred in the

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in the pickleball community. They come and go, some of

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them some live here all the time. So I go.

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I usually play like three times week and I really

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love it because I'm eighty four and I'm playing against

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you know, thirty year olds, forty year olds, and I

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don't even think about it that I'm eighty four. Oh,

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I'm eighty four. I'm going to beat this young person.

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I'm just trying to beat them because I know I

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could play better than them. But it has nothing to

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do with my age. I'm sort of you know, I'm

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just playing pickleball. So anyway, and it was really interesting.

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I just want to mention something in Dan Buttna did

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a follow up documentary a couple of years ago. It's

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on Netflix Live to one hundred, The Secret of the

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Blue Zones. It's a four part series on Netflix. And

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he goes to eat, he revisits these the five's Blue Zones,

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and he gets to Low Melinda and one of the

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activities is pickleball. But you see them playing pickleball. Well, yeah,

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I was so glad. Hey that's fantastic, you know, so yeah, yeah, Well.

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What do you think how much of aging, Well do

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you believe is biology and how much is the mindset

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and the environment, And you know, kind of I know

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from believer that we make choices on a moment to

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moment basis every day, right, So how much of aging

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well do you believe is biology versus the rest of it?

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Well, I think it's super important. You want to make

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sure that your your cells of functioning, you know, your

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metabolic wellness, all you know, systems are functioning well. So

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you know, you can't there's no way around it. You

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have to be able. You have to you have to

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pay attention to your body. And but one of the

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things that's very important is that we've gotten away from

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recognizing how you know, our body self healing powers which

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we are. Body is self healing since we were born,

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and you know it's and that's what it does. The

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body is trying to keep us alive ever since we

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I mean that, since we've got our first first breath.

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What is our body doing. It's you know, the circulation,

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the digestion, everything that's going on in the body is

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taking care of We have a doctor inside of us.

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That was a famous quote from what's in the Hippocrates,

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the father of medicine. All we have to do is

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help it do its job, you know, And that's what

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you don't get in its way. Don't get in the

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body's way helping. Just give the body what it wants.

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And then you find out when you pay attention to

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the body, what your body wants. And then when you

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give it to you know, give it to your body,

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it'll just do its job, whether it's you know, the

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immune system, the overall anti inflammation, you know, to fight

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chronic information. I mean it, So there is that body,

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the biology, you know, but the mindset is extremely important. Yeah,

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I mean, just what happened with Beatrice. If she was

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told that she had six months to live, she might

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have gone in six months. People and doctors tell people

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that and very often, and so that's how powerful the

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mind is. So when I was in my seventies and

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I was starting to realize because of my nutrition, I

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wrote my first book in twenty nineteen, which was focused

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almost one hundred percent on nutrition, on plant based nutrition,

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and I was very strict with that with people too,

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And then I realized that. So I was getting into

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my eighties and I was starting to learn about longevity

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through research that was being done by other doctors about

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what I was discovering and more actink. The most important

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was my son. My son Adam was in California. He's

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going to be fifty this year. So he's into this

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whole longevity. He's a somatic healer and coach, and he

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was he's into all these new things. He was also

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at extreme sports, so he was telling me about other

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practices that were very important, and so I started getting

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into intermittent fasting, breath work, which is and that got

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me into this, uh the road to uh you know,

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against stress, because that's another factor that's critical, especially today

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with so much stress. People are in stress, you know,

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because of the situation, world situation, economic situation, uh, family city,

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you know, family situ relationships. So we start getting stressed

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out and you can get so you can live in

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stress and not even realize it because so much of

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the world, so much of the West, is like you're

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you're you're you're on fire all the time. You're not resting,

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so and you're in stress for so long, and you

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have your the stress hormon, the cortisol is working all

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the time, You're not getting a good night's sleep, you're

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not resting enough, you're not it's just and you you

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get so used to it that you're living in stress,

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and that can rehab it in your body with inflammation

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and cause chronic disease. So I started learning about that.

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So what happened and then mindset, which you mentioned is

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so critical because it's the mindset that like it's I

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have a new idea, I have a new identity, and

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my identity has nothing to do with my age. My

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identity is I'm this person very well, living in enjoying life.

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I'm healthy, and I do what else can I do

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today to you know, support that? And what's very important

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is that. And this is one of the mindsets we

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have is that when you get older, and so many

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people have it, even here right because a lot of

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the expats who are retiring here, you know, they think

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that you're supposed to, you know, just relax and not

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do anything. And for me, it's exactly the opposite. You

461
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:15.079
got to keep on going. And you find out even

462
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.240
in the blue zones, these people are active into their

463
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.599
eighties and nineties, into their hundreds, and they don't they

464
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:25.200
don't they don't stop working in many in most cases

465
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:28.359
for these older people or being active and doing some

466
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.680
you know, things that they love to do. Maybe you're

467
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:35.119
not working, but you're painting, you're doing volunteer work, you're

468
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.920
doing a podcast, you're writing something. The things that start

469
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.880
giving you meaning that don't slow you down. And then

470
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:46.319
you have to work on this because you don't want

471
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.039
to get alph armies. You don't want to get you know, senile.

472
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.440
So you just so I do a lot of breath work.

473
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.400
I do breath holds, you know, make sure a lot

474
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.480
of people suffer energy fatigue when they get older, and

475
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:03.480
how do you to increase your energy? So this is

476
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:08.599
what I'm all about. And yeah, so this is what I'm.

477
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.920
Well you so I want to you know, so if

478
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.599
somebody saying, Okay, I've got it, I really want to

479
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:20.079
it's serious about this. You became vegetarian in nineteen seventy six.

480
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.000
What originally started that was there was there an event

481
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.359
or what was it that triggered you to say, okay,

482
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:29.880
I'm going to get serious about this.

483
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.640
Well, when I became the vegetarian, it was from It

484
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.960
wasn't really for health. It was because I was interested

485
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.960
in the Eastern philosophy and religion. So that's when I

486
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:44.880
made the change. But I didn't make the change to

487
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.960
plant based until eighteen You well, it's close to eighteen

488
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.880
years ago a lot. Yeah, And that was because I

489
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.039
was reading it and I was getting sick. So, you know,

490
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.440
I think that what's very important, you know. I one

491
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.519
of the great questions for people who are eating plants

492
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.160
is where do you get your protein from? So and

493
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.400
they still ask that. I still I got that question.

494
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:12.519
They asked me that question yesterday. So and uh, you know,

495
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:16.519
my answer is usually I start out with, well, I

496
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:21.400
get my my protein from the same place where some

497
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.119
of the strongest animals in the world get their protein.

498
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:31.960
The gorillas, the elephants, the rhinoceros, the hippopotamus, the whores, uh,

499
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:35.079
you know, and so that's where they get it. All

500
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.839
comes from plants, I mean eat proteins. All foods originally

501
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:43.200
come from plants. So the animals eat the plants, even

502
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:47.119
though they you know, they don't you know, the cows

503
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:49.839
and the factory farms. They're eating other stuff that's not

504
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.559
really what they should be eating, you know, when they're

505
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:57.279
out pasture in the pasture. So, but you get it.

506
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.880
I get the proteins, So why not why get it

507
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:04.599
eating the animals Because there's you know, there's baggage that

508
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:08.039
goes with that, whether it's the hormones you're getting from

509
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:12.400
the animals or the the antibiotics that they give the

510
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.200
animals so they don't get sick. And these clothes, you know,

511
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:19.799
in the factory farms. Uh so, you know, so things

512
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:21.960
like that, and but the fat, you don't have the

513
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.799
extra fat. So I go straight to the plants. And

514
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.319
that's where where I get my uh you know, my

515
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:32.000
protein from. So but but my and then I, oh, yeah,

516
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.039
if they're not convinced, I talk about these athletes that

517
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:40.559
are plant based, you know, the Djokovic, you know, tennis player,

518
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:46.640
the Williams sisters, Uh, Tom Brady, uh, the basketball players,

519
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:52.920
crock climb champions, they're all over. Yeah, they're They're in

520
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:56.119
every sport and they do very well. And you even

521
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.839
find out that, you know, athletes who are plant based,

522
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:05.440
their recovery times are faster. And there's another interesting documentary

523
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.440
called The Game Changers, which is also on on Netflix,

524
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:15.279
and that was produced by James Cameron of The Titanic

525
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.880
and uh yeah, so he's also plant based, So he

526
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.000
produced that and it's on Netflix, and they do this

527
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.440
whole study of the differences They put athletes who are

528
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:33.359
on plant based and those that are on animal based diets.

529
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.640
They do tests on them. It's very very interesting. So,

530
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.720
you know, and one of the things that are extremely important,

531
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.880
which I really the final thing I say to people,

532
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.160
what you're really missing? It's the protein, Isn't the problem?

533
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.400
So easy to get the protein from from plants and

534
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.880
that's where I get it from. So but the problem

535
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:56.799
is we're not We need fiber and the and the

536
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:02.000
fiber is the favorite food of our gut microbot and

537
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:04.480
that there's no way about it. And yet the people

538
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:08.360
on the standard American diet ninety five percent not even

539
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.679
close to getting the minimum amount of fiber we're supposed

540
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:13.199
to have. Men are supposed to get I think around

541
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:17.719
thirty eight percent thirty eight grams and women twenty five grams.

542
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:20.480
I don't know why that difference, and most people get

543
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.480
fifteen grams most Americans. So, and what does it mean?

544
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.840
It means you're not feeding the gut bacteria that will

545
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.360
help will what they want to keep you healthy, what

546
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.360
they want to keep you healthy and h and to

547
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.719
make you give you a strim so you avoid you know,

548
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.800
a leaky gut and all the diseases that come from

549
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:47.840
the colin the colon. You know, colon cancer is like

550
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:52.800
it's people that never had colon in their forties are

551
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.079
having colon cancer, and then you look at type two

552
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:58.360
diabetes where they you know, so people are getting sicker

553
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:04.920
and cardiovascular disease. So people are getting sicker and sicker. So, uh,

554
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:08.599
you need fiber. There's no way around it. And I'm

555
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:10.880
not saying that give up meat. I'm not saying give

556
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.239
up animal products. Eat more fiber. That's what you need

557
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.519
to do. So you need to get more grams of

558
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:20.360
fiber if you if you, you know, if you can

559
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.039
give up some of the you know, the the other stuff,

560
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:26.400
including the uh what do you call it, the u

561
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.239
the foods that you're not supposed to be eating, the

562
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:35.039
the what is it called the the bad foods and

563
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:40.880
stuff that the ultra process foods. Yeah, but that's another thing,

564
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.719
you know, So you know you want to ultra processed foods,

565
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.559
you don't want to because that's a killer, and most

566
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:49.639
people eat most of the things that people eat are

567
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:50.880
ultra processed foods.

568
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.199
So yeah, Well, I want to go back a little

569
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.639
bit and talk a little bit more about the bodies

570
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:02.920
innate ability to heal. Yeah, I think that is just

571
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.360
a fascinating topic. And what what do you think that

572
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.519
really means in practical terms?

573
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:17.760
Well, uh, the body is uh. In practical terms, Well,

574
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.800
I think the most important point is that we're going

575
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.079
away from that. We're not you know, doctors don't tell

576
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.360
us how to self heal. Doctors don't tell us that

577
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.920
we should you know, don't do this. They won't give

578
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.559
you that as an option. And yet you know, self

579
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:40.920
healing is uh is what we should be depending on.

580
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:43.719
And that's what I do. I I don't. I very

581
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:46.800
really go to Donnie. I'll go to a dentist or

582
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.360
a skin doctor. You know, there's certain doctors I would,

583
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:55.320
but I will not. I will go to an alternative doctor. Uh.

584
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:59.800
That offers you know, that offers another option, because the regular,

585
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:05.159
regular doctory allopathic doctors will be offering you basically there

586
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:09.719
the drugs, the pharmaceuticals and other you know, things that

587
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.159
will help you manage the disease I'm talking about. You know,

588
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.840
when you treat your body correctly and you give it

589
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.360
what it wants, it will help you prevent disease. And

590
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.000
that to me, if that's what it's all about. You know,

591
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.840
you don't want to reach your eighties and have and

592
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:29.239
just be sick. It makes it really hard to enjoy

593
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.599
your life. You know, you're you know, the eighties could

594
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.119
be a wonderful time. But you don't have to worry

595
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:38.840
about you know, you have a heart problem, or you

596
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:42.519
have Type two diabetes, or you you know, you have cancer.

597
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.199
You have to deal with you know, if you have

598
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.199
to deal with it, you can find out, well, is

599
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:49.400
there any way I can slow down the progression or

600
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:50.800
even reverse the disease?

601
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:51.840
You know?

602
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.880
So I think that in practical terms, we need to

603
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:01.000
start paying attention to our own bodies, because us that's

604
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.440
our body, you know, I I you only get one.

605
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.679
You only get one, And to me, it's like it's

606
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.119
really to me, the greatest gift, the greatest gift that

607
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:16.320
a human being has been given, is the gift of life.

608
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:21.159
Because with our life there's nothing but the second, which

609
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.719
we take for granted, is the gift of our body.

610
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:29.280
Our body is where the light our life lives. So

611
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:33.320
if if we can really see how precious our life is,

612
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:36.239
and really you know, how wonderful it is, and how

613
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:38.519
grateful we should be for that, we need to be

614
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.599
grateful for our body so that we can live a life.

615
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.400
That life is so short. Wait till you get the

616
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:48.119
eighty four it's like zoom, it's going on.

617
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.719
It's not much time left.

618
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:56.400
Every day, every week is Friday, Friday. I can't believe

619
00:38:56.440 --> 00:39:01.880
it's Friday again. So you know, I like, it gets

620
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.280
faster and faster as you get older. So you know,

621
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.199
here I am, A'm eighty five. I'm not gonna live.

622
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.440
I don't have that much time left even if I

623
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:11.320
live to one hundred. So it's like every day is like,

624
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.079
you know, precious, and you want to live and enjoy

625
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.199
each moment. And that's one of the good parts of

626
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.000
when you're healthy and you're in your eighties. You can

627
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:24.639
enjoy the moment and really enjoy your family, isn't it.

628
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:27.440
I Mean that's like the big reason why would you

629
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.760
put the effort into doing this so that you can

630
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:33.000
stay healthy? Right?

631
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.239
Yeah? And because this life is so short and it's

632
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.840
a gift. This is a gift. We don't you know,

633
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.239
what happened before we were born. Who knows what happens

634
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.800
after we go? I don't know, you know, but we

635
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:51.440
have this in eternity, we have these few years. For

636
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.719
some reason, we were given a gift, you know. I

637
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:56.519
don't know who gave it. I don't know, you know,

638
00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:01.000
but we have it. This is real and that's why

639
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.800
to me, what we really are, what is the reason

640
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.320
to be alive? What is the meaning of life? I

641
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.400
think everybody may be asking that question at some time

642
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.960
during their lives. To me is to thoroughly enjoy it

643
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:21.159
and you know, helping others and just just enjoying life

644
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:25.360
from within. Not because I made a lot of money,

645
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.079
not because this thing happened because I got a new

646
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:32.000
home because of this. But there's a joy inside. There's

647
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:36.079
a piece inside that's there regardless, and that we can

648
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:39.960
be in touch with that gives us a real meaning

649
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.880
and just carry and we carry that around with us

650
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:46.079
if we can, you know, experience it. Right.

651
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.519
Well, I've just decided that I'm going to have to

652
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.079
have you back for a part too, because we're almost

653
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:56.639
out of time and this has been fascinating and half

654
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.599
of the questions I wanted to ask you are not

655
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:03.159
going to have up today, okay, and so you know,

656
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.039
because we are getting close to having to wrap this up.

657
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:10.199
But so I am going to have you back because

658
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:12.800
I want to talk more about stress and resilient thank

659
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:18.320
you purpose, and so we'll do another day to end

660
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:22.280
up today. Let's talk about I mean, you've talked a

661
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.760
little bit about the fiber, You've talked a little bit

662
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:29.800
about the micro biome whole foods. To end this up today,

663
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:34.679
what would be one or two simple nutrition shifts that

664
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:38.159
could make a meaningful difference for people that are over sixty?

665
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.559
What would you say? Okay your final answer?

666
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.920
Okay, Well, I think, first of all, it's very important

667
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.719
that we don't have to be perfect. That it's little changes,

668
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:56.000
little tiny little changes change our habits by So I

669
00:41:56.039 --> 00:42:00.440
would add more plant based foods, and I would you know,

670
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.159
maybe we are eating I'm sure we like there are

671
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:05.840
things we like that are plant based. I mean, I

672
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:11.119
think everybody likes baccamole or or humus or oat meal

673
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.559
or so, you know, just think about something that you're

674
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:18.639
already eating and then add something else. A salad. It's

675
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:24.159
really important, a real variety of fruit of vegetables in

676
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.039
your salad. I have it every day. You know, you

677
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.079
can even add some beans to it. You could experiment

678
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:35.239
with it. There's so many, so many recipes out there online.

679
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:37.599
So I would start doing that, and I would stay

680
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.000
away from you know, these cereals that fruit loops and

681
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.440
and you know, so and also I would try to,

682
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.760
you know, I'm you know, I use either soy milk

683
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.159
or almond milk and try it out. You know, I

684
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:59.960
eat granola, I eat oat meal. Whole bread, Uh, how

685
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.840
with dough bread is better than you know, just regular

686
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:06.599
eye fair. Yeah. And uh and you know, don't get

687
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:09.719
rid of other stuff. But some of this to start

688
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.119
off with. And then but what's very important when I

689
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.039
talk about changing habits, if you do it often enough,

690
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:18.280
you'll you'll the habits will change. But it's very important

691
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:21.559
to get be rewarded. In other words, you want to

692
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.000
have some sort of reward if you do, you know,

693
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:25.639
make some changes, go.

694
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:26.880
Out and play some pick a ball.

695
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:31.840
Yeah, or also on the nutrition pod, hey I lost

696
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.679
a couple of pounds in the last few months, or

697
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.000
you know, I Hey, you know I have I feel

698
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like more energetic, you know, So you should be rewarded.

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But little changes really help.

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Well, Michael, So we are going to do another another day,

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so everyone that's watching this you'll be able to see

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when that part two. It'll also put out a message

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about when that part two will happen. That'll talk more

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about stress and resilience. And I want to talk a

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little bit more about purpose and the inner life of aging. Well,

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so with that, we need to wrap this up today. Michael,

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So thank you so much for coming, thank you for

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being here, thank you for sharing your wisdom. And I'm

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hoping that everyone is going to be saying, oh, they

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asked some good questions, and you need to think about

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what are some questions that I need to ask myself

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about how I can age more gracefully?

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Can I mention my new book? Yes, okay, it just

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came out the beginning of the week, The Longevity Wellness Revolution,

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a bold blueprint for thriving during the fifth stage of life.

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It's on Amazon.

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Yeah, awesome, And on my website. I have a list

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of guests and so there will be a flyer there

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that has all of Michael's information. You can go there

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to find him. I believe your website though, is Michael

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Jdorfmann dot com, right, and so, but all of.

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That, yeah, I'll have you. Yeah, that was I have

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two websites. The one, the Longevity Wellness Revolution dot Com

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is the one that is the name of my book.

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Okay, great, all right, well with that, get out there

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and play some pickaball.

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Michael, Yes, and we will see you.

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Next time, and thank you everyone for joining the Ask

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Good Questions podcast.

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