April 2, 2025

A BEACON in the Storm: A journey of perseverance marked by resilience and determination

A BEACON in the Storm: A journey of perseverance marked by resilience and determination

Join Bonita with special guest Michael Price. Mike has been a healthcare executive, and today’s episode will focus on the story of his pitfalls & how to avoid them as a leader. He will discuss the major burnouts he has dealt with, the health...

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Season 1

Join Bonita with special guest Michael Price. Mike has been a healthcare executive, and today’s episode will focus on the story of his pitfalls & how to avoid them as a leader. He will discuss the major burnouts he has dealt with, the health issues that came about because of them, how he dealt with them, and how he focuses on his well-being today. Join us for an insightful discussion on a very important topic!

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will reach for a higher purpose in money and life,

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as well as a focus on health and wellness. Now,

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let's join your hosts, Vanita Bell Anderson as together we

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start with Asking Good Questions.

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Hello, and welcome to the podcast. We are so excited

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that you're here with us today. And today I have

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a very special guest, another one of those great stories

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of overcoming and resilience. His name is Michael Price, and

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I'd like to invite him into the studio.

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Now, there he is welcome Michael.

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Well, I'm happy to be here.

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Well, great, Michael is coming to us from Charlotte, North Carolina,

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and I, of course am coming at you from Saint George, Utah,

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where normally it's been like seventy eighty degrees, but today

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it's raining, so it's okay. It's a good day for

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a podcast. So let me tell you a little bit

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about Mike and this this is his words, and this

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is a faith filled man, he says. He is a

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man who loves Jesus. First, he is married to his

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wife Lease of twenty six years. Together, they have two

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adult children and two grandchildren, So he's a grandpa. Are

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they there in Charlotte? Yes, Oh awesome, that's the best.

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And what are their ages? What are their grandchildren's ages?

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Sixteen months and fourteen months?

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Oh, you're just having way too much fun.

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Then I'm having a blast.

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So he is a business executive on a mission. He

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is helping executives and entrepreneurs build thriving careers without sacrificing

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their faith, their health, or their well being. He is

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the vice president of business development for Orient Groups I

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had to go look them up, and was recently named

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president of the c suite for christ Charlotte Market. Michael

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is dedicated to guiding high level professionals towards success with purpose.

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His journey to leadership hasn't been without challenges. He's battled anxiety, depression,

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and was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, struggles that nearly derailed

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his career in professional life, But instead of letting them

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define him, he used those hardships as a catalyst for growth.

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Now he's committed to helping leaders avoid burnout, embrace faith

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driven leadership, and learn from his past mistakes. He is

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building a powerful community of faith based business leaders, and

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his message is clear. Success should never come at the

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cost of your well being. Ain't that the truth. He

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is an acquiring author, with his first books set to

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be released later this year. That's awesome. We'll have to

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have you back when you got it done. His passion

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for faith, leadership and resilience make him a powerful advocate

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for professionals seeking to lead with integrity without burning out.

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Such a powerful message in today's world. Well welcome, Mike.

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Well thanks, Anita, I'm really really excited to be here

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and talk to you today.

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Well great, So in that little introduction we talked about

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some adversity that you've faced. Can you tell us a

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little bit more about that background.

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Yeah, So I'll go through this pretty quickly and we

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can unpack whatever you want to unpack and go down

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whatever roads you want to. So I'm going to take

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everybody back to nineteen ninety eight. Ninety eight, I was struggling.

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You wouldn't see it from the outside looking in. I

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just built my first house, had a great job, great family,

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great community, and I just was struggling, you know, and

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dealing with depression, dealing with low self esteem. And it

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all culminated in February of ninety eight when I tried

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to commit suicide. But you know, you know, you go

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through things like that and you realize, you know, you mentioned,

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I'm a man of faith, so God had other plans

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for me, and it really launched me on my journey

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from that point forward. And we fast forward a little

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bit in two thousand and two, working for my dad

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inn the business. We were living in Orlando, Florida at

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the time, but when nine to eleven hit, it really

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destroyed our business and it took about half our revenue

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away from us. So I ended up getting fired by

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my dad. But It was probably one of the best

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things for my career because it launched me into healthcare,

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where I spent over twenty years of my career in

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culminating with my last few executive positions. But if we

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fast forward a little bit more, talking about versary twenty sixteen,

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I experienced about with blindness in my right eye. I

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actually went completely blind in my right eye, and it

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was like that for about about a month until I

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started regaining went through a lot of tests, a lot

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of treatments, gained back about half the sight in that

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right eye. Today, I'll tell you I can't even tell

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that that there's issues there. And then fast for a

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little bit more. Twenty one twenty two, I had back

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to back heart attacks. And as we talk about adversity

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and then we talk about what you should not do

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in my heart attack. In twenty twenty one, I had

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the heart attack on a Saturday. I had stints on

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a Sunday, and I went back to work on Monday.

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I would never buy anyone I did. That's my claim

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to fame. I'm not sure if it's really a claim.

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But then in twenty twenty two, I had another heart

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attack on set on labor day of twenty twenty two,

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September sixth, and I took six weeks off and really

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that that's really when I figured out that. You know,

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you know, so many leaders think that it's selfish to

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put some focus on yourself. I'm here to tell you

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if you don't put the right amount of focus on

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your well being, your cup's going to be empty and

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you have nothing to give your organization. You have nothing

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to give your team. And then we'll talk about that,

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you member then. And then last year I was diagnosed

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with multiple storroses. You would think it came out of

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left field, but in twenty twelve, that's when I first

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had the MRIs and they first discovered the lesions, but

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we just didn't do anything about them until twenty twenty

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four and started infusion treatments last year, and that's what

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led to me retiring early from health care. I still

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do some consulting in health care, but I'm a different

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person than I was in sixteen, twenty one, twenty two,

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and even in twenty twenty four today on how I

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care for myself and the amount of focus I put

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on my well being.

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Wow, Well, now when you say healthcare, what the experience

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I've had with those types of people have been like

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hospital administrators, is that the sort of thing that or

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or like a clinic administrator? Is that the sort of

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thing that you were retiring from.

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It's such a little different path. So I started as

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an EMT in the er in Orlando. I ended my

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career as the vice president of claying Delivery at Tenant

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Healthcare out of Dallas. And essentially what I did is

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I had oversight for the Project management Office, the field

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services or IT folks out across our thousand facilities. And

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then I had what's a team called the clinical in

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from Matis's teams, and they deal with things that had

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to pertain with workflow for physicians and nurses. And then

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I also had a team that handled acquisitions and divestitures

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from an IT perspective, but I.

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Can see where that might completely overwhelm you.

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Oh yeah, yeah, out about three hundred people. And I

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will tell you when I was in it, I thought, listen,

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I will tell you right now, no one is successful multitasking.

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I thought I was a professional multitasker. I had three

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jobs that spread across different companies. Because we're a we

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are a large organization. And essentially had four organizations. But yeah,

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burnout is a real thing, and it can happen to anyone,

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especially when when you don't listen to what your body's

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telling you and you just keep going and going.

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I'm with you.

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I've been a multitasker pretty much my whole adult life.

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But I asked myself questions about things about whether they

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really need to be done or not.

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What's most important.

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I'll do that now. I should we should have we

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should have met ten years ago.

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Yeah, well, okay, So the other thing that I'm that

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you haven't really talked about, but it's kind of for me.

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It's in the background. What about family going through?

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You know, you've got all this business stuff going on,

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and how did this adversity in your life impact family?

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Yeah, so I will tell you so. I impacted negatively

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my family, my time, my relationships. But as I began

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to focus more on myself, I really became more intentional

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about the time that I spent with my wife you

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mentioned earlier, my wife for twenty six years. I've got

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a twenty five year old and twenty two year old,

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both have families. I have grandchildren, one from each one

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of them, and it really made me focus on my

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quality time. Listen, when I was in the midst of

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my healthcare executive role, I would be on this podcast

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with you, I would have my I pad over here,

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check an email, and I potentially may even be on

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another call in my other ear when I was really multitasking.

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Wow.

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So I've eliminated all of that, and I really am

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intentional about right now. Right now, sixty seven is time

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with Bonita, you know. You know. After that is family time,

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you know, and listen. So many people think that you

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can't put time for yourself on your schedule. Your calendar

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will let you do that, and you should do that.

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So I've become more intentional and my time is quality

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time with my family.

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Well, there's a I don't remember exactly the saying, but

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there's a saying that talks about if you don't make

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time for your health and your family, then down the

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road you're gonna have to make time because your health

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will deteriorate and you won't be able to take care

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of anything or anybody. And I firmly believe that. Well,

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let's talk about probably that lowest point there. You had

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talked about one of the hardest battles that you walk

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through was depression and even a suicide attempt. You know

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what's interesting, Mike, I had a conversation earlier today with

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a gal whose husband committed suicide three years ago, and

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she is still trying to wrap her head around that

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they have kids and everything. And so I thought, well,

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that's interesting that, you know, because I I don't know

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how you how you get to such a low point

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that you even consider that.

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So can you take us back to that season?

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What was happening in your life and what led you

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to that breaking point?

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Yeah? So, so first of all, it was just a

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you know, like I said earlier, you know, I had

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just built my first house, had a great job, great relationships,

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and a wonderful, loving family. But my self esteem had

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when we moved from North Carolina to Florida. I said

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this earlier. So I was a country boy in North Carolina.

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It's good to be a country boy in Orlando. You know,

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when you're when you're transitioning and you're still in middle school,

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it's not so good to be a country boy. And

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so my self esteem started to get impacted. They're not

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blaming the move, but that's just that's where it still

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began to happen, and so by the time nineteen that

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was an eighty seven. By the time I rode around

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in ninety eight, I hadn't done anything to resolve any

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of those issues I was dealing with, and I had

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a hard time asking for help. So the first thing

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I would tell someone that maybe listening to this and

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maybe battling with a similar issue, is it's okay to

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ask for help. And that's different for everybody. For some

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people that's professional help. For some people it's a friend

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or family member. And then to that family member of

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a friend, all you have to do is listen. Because

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I didn't think I could ask for help. So I

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was battling the depression dark moment in my time. I

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didn't think I could ask for help, and you know,

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my self esteem. I didn't like myself. I didn't like

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how I looked and talked and walked or really anything.

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it's enough, and it's and I'm very transparent these days.

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It took me twenty seven years to talk about this,

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and you're the fourth or fifth person and show that

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I've talked about this on so it was tough my

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choice of an attemptless pills, and it was hard to

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take the first one, but the next twenty were easy.

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So and I was alone in my home, and I

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serve a big god that right after the attempt, my

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parents showed up at my house, and I just I

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only recently asked my parents last month February why they

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showed up at my house twenty seven years ago, and

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they said something told us we needed to come to

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your house, and my mom said, we need to go.

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My dad said, no, let's not go right now. So

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I'm glad he listened to my mother. And then when

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they got to the house, I don't remember them being there.

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I remember I can vividly remember steal the attempt. I

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don't remember them arriving or carrying me to their car,

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but I remember being in their car.

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of hills.

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They did not because my mom told my dad we

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have to go to the hospital, and he said, I

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don't know why we need to go, and she said,

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we just need to go. And then at some point

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after that they discovered I had taken your mother, Thank goodness,

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she was yes, mom's intuition, it's a real thing. So

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so we got to the hospital, you know, and I

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went through, uh, you know, several different tests and things

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that needed to be taken care of for life saving measures,

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and so grateful to that team. And I spent a

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few days in the hospital and then went through a

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process to to to begin healing and to begin recovery.

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So did they figure it out in the hospital.

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They did, Yeah, they figured they actually figured My parents

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figured it out on the way the hospital because, believe

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it or not, one of their best friends was the pharmacist.

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a pharmacist friend and she told and what to do

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and got to the er and and yeah, you know,

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it's it's uh, it's a miserable process to have to

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go through, but it's it was a process I needed

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to go through to rid my body of what I

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had ingested.

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that time period?

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Are you looking back at it as, uh, what did

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I learn?

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Or what? How do you look back at that?

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Do you beat yourself up or I'm hoping you're you're

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going what can I learn from that?

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I've learned I don't beat myself up. I did for

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for a long time. We called it. I thought it

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made me a week person. And whether or not it

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may be a weak person at the time or not,

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we'll leave that for a later time. But now I'm

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looking as a as a as a way that I

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can help people today and people listening to this, to this,

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to this broadcast right now or listening to a recording

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later that may be going through a similar situation. And

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let me tell you something, and I mean this from

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my heart, if you feel like you don't have someone

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to talk to, listen you can. There'll be ways that

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you'll know to reach out to me from this, from

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this broadcast and reach out to me. I'd be happy

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to listen to you and talk to you about what

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I went through. But yeah, I want.

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To just make sure I interject that.

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On the webs on the podcast website ask Good Questions

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podcast dot com, there's a bonus downloads place, and that

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is where I will put your information and people can

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reach out to you or if you want to share.

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And I know there's like a national suicide line. I

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know there's there's different sources out there for people. So

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all of that will be on the information there for

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people to access later.

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Yeah, and all great resources, all great resources. And my

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advice is reach out to someone, don't don't don't. Don't

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hear me that it was the right thing for me,

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not to reach out for hell, because it was the

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wrong thing.

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So so yeah, look at it God, by the grace

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of guard and by the grace of your mother.

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Yes, that is one hundred percent correct. So so yeah,

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it was definitely a learning opportunity for me, and I've

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learned a lot from it and able to help people now.

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So you know, sometimes, you know, with my big turning

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point in my life was a terrible divorce that I

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had to deal with twenty five years ago. But now

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today as a financial advisor, I can't tell you how

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many times somebody has said, oh, you need to talk

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to Benita because she's been through it. And it's like,

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sometimes those crazy challenges in your life turn out to

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be the way that you can be empathetic and you

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can help somebody to get through something because they know

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that you understand where they're going through, or at least

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you know you have some idea of what they're going through.

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Yeah, so then go ahead, No, I was going to say,

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because you know, you know, we truly never walk in

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each other's shoes, you know, someone's you know, someone may say,

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I've been in your shoes. Well, no you haven't, because

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I've been in different situations in my life. We've been

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through similar circumstances, and we can, you know, we can

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be there to help each other, but we've never truly

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experienced the same thing that each other has.

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Because we're all unique. Yes, well, so moving on, So

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thank goodness that the help was there and you got

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through that. Now moving forward, MS for crying out wild?

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How how did that come up?

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So it originally reared its head in twenty twelve, I

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had had and I don't even recall. I think it's

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high blood pressure or headaches or something. Something triggered my

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neurologists to do a a cat scan followed by an MRI,

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and the cat skins showed some shadows, so they did

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an MRI. This was twenty twelve, and they discovered lesions

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on the brain which are caused by MS. And in

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June of twelve they said, Michael, you have MS. And

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I said, wow, are you are you sure you have

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the right patient because that just came out left field,

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and so so I lived for six months in twenty

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twelve that I have MS. And then in twenty twelve

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I do a follow up with the neurologists. He decides

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he wants to do a spinal tap. Spinal tap will

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you know, supposed to confirm or deny whether or not

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you have MS. And he did the spinal tap. The

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fluid was clear, so they said you don't have MS.

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So then we fast forward from twenty twelve all the

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way to twenty twenty four, actually twenty twenty three, when

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I started having symptoms again, you know, balance issues, memory issues,

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And I can remember sitting in a meeting with my

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COO and my CIO. And I've always and I'm a

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very decisive person. I can I can ingest information and

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make decisions quickly. And I was sitting in that meeting

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and I could not answer questions. I couldn't even understand

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what they were talking about.

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Wow.

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So I do with a primary care doctor in December

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of twenty three and he decides he's going to go

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ahead and order the MRI himself and then schedule a

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neurology consult well the December to thirty first of twenty

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three I had the MRI. It shows that there were

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more legions. Now in twelve there were three to five.

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Now there's twelve to fifteen lesions on my brain. And so,

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being a healthcare executive and being a very impatient person,

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I didn't want to wait the four months it was

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going to take for me to see a neurologists here locally.

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So me and my wife flew down to Westbalum Beach

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because you know, we own a lot of hospitals for

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the system I worked with, and there was a world

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renowned neural in Westbound Beach that I went and saw.

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The only problem is he was world renowned in Parkinson's

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and I was diagnosed with Parkinson's, not MS, and so

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I live. So we went on medication for Parkinson's. We

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did that for six months until I was able to

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get in and see a neurologist at the local MS

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clinic here in Charlotte. And the first thing she did

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was take me off of Parkinson's Madge and said, you

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have MS, and I'm gonna show you why. And last

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June or last July, we started infusion treatments and those

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are used to slow down the progression. It's not used

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to treat any of the symptoms I already have. Yeah, similar, Yeah,

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this this attack a specific cell within the body that

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causes the NUS. So for me, I'm blessed. I only

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have to have him twice a year. But you know,

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me and me and my wife really got on a

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kick of you know, we we only eat. We don't

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need anything processed. We do things like cryo treatment to

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lower the inflammation in my body. I vat therapy treatments

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to make sure I get vitamins infused into my body.

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I do something called patching, you know, which is photo therapy,

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and it actually is just looks like a little band

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aid and it redirects the light and energy that emmitts

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from your body. And that's basically healed me from the

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pain that was associated with MS. And so so, I mean,

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if you saw me walk into your office building or

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your home, you wouldn't even know I have MS, because,

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like I said, I'm truly blessed, and the symptoms are

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very mine right now compared to what they were.

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Well, you had mentioned in the information you sent me

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about how this whole MS thing it seems to have

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shaped your spiritual life.

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Is that a good way say it.

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Yeah, it really has. It's it's created a lot of

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a lot of trust for me in the Lord. And

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you know, I could sit here and say my depression,

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suicide attempt, uh, the horritized, the MS or what defines me,

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but it doesn't. You know, I have a relationship with

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Christ that defines truly who I am, and and that's

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who I put my faith and trust in, because if

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if not, I mean the MS, the hortitaz, I mean

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all the healthcare stuff I've been through. I mean it's

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enough to put a man down. And I'm not a

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pretty big yet. Michael, yep, I am. I am and uh.

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I think we're going to talk a little bit about

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that as the show goes on. You know what I'm

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trying to do to people?

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Well, yeah, I think all of this is leading up

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to writing a book. Yeah right, So what's your what's

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your target?

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Who is this? Who are you writing this book for?

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So? Yeah, So, so the book is called Project Self

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and it's moving from it is also to Empowered when

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Facing burnout and so initially and this just started in

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January and September sixth is the release date, so it's

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pretty quick turnaround for write a book. But when I started,

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I got the idea that when I semi retired from

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from from the healthcare industry, I wanted to The burnout

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rate in healthcare is fifty percent, and that includes physicians, doctors, administrators,

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it's fifty percent. For leaders in general, it's about eighty

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percent of those who experienced some form of burnout in

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their career. So it's very prevalent in all industries. So

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I wanted to I wanted to be able to put

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out something that showed that that told my story the

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pitfalls of my of my within my career, and because

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you know a lot of it was self inflicted. M

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this is definitely not self inflicted, but the artifizes the

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blindness to some of the healthcare in the experience were

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self inflicted. So I wanted to find a way to

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be able to help people. And so the target audience

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is really leaders, the leaders in any industry. And the

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book is really cool because I've got a lot of

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collaborators from healthcare executives to business owners, to pastors, to

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professional athletes and to military all of them have experienced

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burnout in some form or fashion. And the way and

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my story is going to weave through all of their

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life experiences, and then at the end of each chapter,

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each of the collaborators is giving a practical guide on

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how you can either avoid burnout or recover from it.

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And it's across the board. It's across the board on

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how people deal with that. You know, I personally have

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the four orders that I that I that I use

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in this rest, reset, recharge, and recommit, you know, and

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00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:05.799
and and so when you look at rest, I mean

468
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:07.599
rest is different. I'm talking. I'm not talking about going

469
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:09.599
to bed and going to sleep. I mean for me,

470
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:14.240
rest me personally, that means whatever is going on at

471
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:18.160
in your life, personal and professional, stop, just hit the

472
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:21.400
poll's button and walk away, walk away from whatever is

473
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:25.000
going on. So that's my rest. My reset is my mindset.

474
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.240
So I'm gonna I'm gonna find a way to reset

475
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:32.599
my mind around whatever's going on, and then to recharge again.

476
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:35.200
This is different for everybody. That could be a book,

477
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:39.599
that could be walk right, journal, pray, meditate, it's different

478
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.640
for everybody. And then to recommit, now this is the

479
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:46.799
same for everybody. When you recommit, something has to change.

480
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.319
You have to. You can't just go right back into

481
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.279
the same situation the exact same way that you were.

482
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.599
So you have to change something that's either your mindset

483
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.759
that's uh, you know, you know the way that you

484
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.240
are approaching it, having some sort of plan in mind

485
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:05.799
of how you're going to approach that differently, So that

486
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:09.440
recommit is changing something before you just step right back

487
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.400
into it, because the circle is never ending. It's just

488
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:14.480
going to it's just going to circle right back around.

489
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.319
You do me in the same situation. You know.

490
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.039
Uh, when I I had thought about starting a podcast

491
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.920
for at least a couple of years before I found

492
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.759
these wonderful people that I do this podcast with. And

493
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:29.799
when they asked me, what are you going to what

494
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:32.960
do you want to call it? I was very clear

495
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.400
that I wanted to call it ask good Questions because

496
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.680
all of the mistakes and all of the heartache, and

497
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.359
you know, a lot of the challenges that I've had

498
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.920
in my life had been because I didn't either ask

499
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.799
good questions or I didn't know what the questions were

500
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:50.359
to ask.

501
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:52.480
And so when I'm thinking about you and.

502
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:57.640
Your book and that, especially to recommit, I think there's

503
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.440
there's got to be you know, what kind of new

504
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:05.400
questions do you ask yourself and what's the purpose. There's

505
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:08.160
got to be a higher purpose for your life that

506
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:10.759
will drive you forward, that will drive you on to

507
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:13.559
something different than what you've had in the past.

508
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.640
Yeah, I one hundred percent degree. So you know, I

509
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:20.880
used to struggle with the questions. But but the reason

510
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:25.079
I struggled is because you know, I would usually find

511
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.599
myself in a burnout phase. I would usually find myself

512
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:32.279
trying to multitask. I wasn't present, I wasn't focused. But

513
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:36.960
when you're present, intentional, in the moment and you're listening,

514
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.039
I mean, the questions just come to mind. I mean,

515
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:43.359
so sitting here, I mean this, this back and forth

516
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.759
that we do. I love it today. Five years ago

517
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.000
I would have said, oh my goodness, I can't do that.

518
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:54.799
So but it's because I'm very focused, I'm present, I'm

519
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.400
in the moment. So the questions are just going to

520
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.000
naturally come to me. Because you have the right mindset,

521
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.440
the questions are going to come. I love the fact

522
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.880
that this is called ask good questions because it's the

523
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.279
only way you're gonna get information from a lot of people, right,

524
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:11.359
They're just not going to give it, right.

525
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:16.279
Yeah, Well, that's it's it's so true. Well, this whole

526
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:22.519
aspect of helping leaders that are going through similar situations.

527
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:25.359
What do you see for that for the future.

528
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.240
So, so the book will come out in September. We've

529
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.559
put together I have a coach and uh never had

530
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:35.079
a coach before before this year.

531
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.119
Actually got coach.

532
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:38.960
On in a couple of weeks.

533
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:40.880
Oh that's and I mean.

534
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.400
Coaches are great. There is a great thing to do.

535
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:44.319
I'm glad to hear that.

536
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.720
And see and remember I never used to ask for help,

537
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.319
you know. But but it's not a sign of weakness,

538
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:55.319
you know, because people bring different perspectives when so, so

539
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:57.839
my coach just looks at everything from a different perspective

540
00:30:57.880 --> 00:30:59.839
than I did. It's not a bad thing. It doesn't

541
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:02.279
mean me a weak person or someone that can't handle

542
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:06.000
the work that I'm trying to do. So so so

543
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.880
some I would foresee some coaching in the future. But

544
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:10.920
but to start with the book, we put together some

545
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.559
keynote speaking. So I'd love to go out to some

546
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.400
various different industries, healthcare being one, entrepreneurial being another one.

547
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.000
Because so many people entrepreneurs will have to start out

548
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.440
part time or they'll start out struggling because they don't

549
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.200
have staff. So if I can help them, you know,

550
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:31.119
I would love to be able to partner and come

551
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:35.799
alongside them to help, but just giving. You know, I

552
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.960
went through some very obvious pitfalls as I look back,

553
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.759
and and and and some self inflicted pitfalls, and I

554
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.319
want to be able to help these leaders avoid those pitfalls,

555
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:50.559
because if you make some tweets in your personal professional life,

556
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.559
it's gonna it's it's it's pretty easy to avoid the

557
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:59.240
pitfalls that I fell into. So well, I want.

558
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:03.240
To kind of up all this together if you are

559
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:07.640
if there's people that are thinking, oh, I don't think

560
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.839
I have any issues, but I think I know I

561
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.640
kind of do. What would you say, thinking about the burnout,

562
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.599
the working too much, the not taking care of yourself,

563
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:20.640
What would be the five things that you would want?

564
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.000
I bet you've got them too.

565
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.440
What would be the five things that you would say,

566
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.559
here's the most important things you need to.

567
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:28.319
Do in your life.

568
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:31.759
So I'll make a couple of segments and I think

569
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.799
I'll answer your questions question as I do. When you

570
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.920
focus on yourself, you have more time to give give

571
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.759
in these areas to the focus of the mission. And

572
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.640
your goals, and that can be if you have your

573
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.640
own business, you're able to better focus on your mission.

574
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.480
If you work, if you're an executive and a larger organization,

575
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.240
you're able to focus on their goals and the strategic

576
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.759
direction that they want you to go. You become a

577
00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:02.119
role model because people will see, listen, I've got two

578
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.000
fantastic mentors, and they work a lot of hours and

579
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:10.759
every day on vacations, never stop working. And that may

580
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:14.400
be great for a season of time, a very brief

581
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:18.720
season of time in your career, but you can't sustain it.

582
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:20.920
So you become a better role model. When you put

583
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.920
focus on yourself and you take care of your will being,

584
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.880
you're a better leader. You become a better leader because

585
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.039
your cup is not empty and you're able to give.

586
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:30.400
You have the right mindset, you're able to give back

587
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.279
to your team, which in turn will become stronger and

588
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.400
more productive. You'll so, if you have your own business,

589
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.519
you're going to produce more, which creates more revenue. If

590
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.359
you if you're a leader at a larger organization, you're

591
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.039
going to produce more, which is going to elevate your career.

592
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.960
And the list goes on and on and on. So

593
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.400
let me say these couple of things. It's not selfish

594
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.880
to care for yourself. I have a keynote called unselfish

595
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:56.680
making way for me because so many people, especially those

596
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.039
that are servant leaders. I'm a servant leader and I'd

597
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:02.759
love to give, give, get you give. It's not selfish.

598
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:04.400
I usould think of a selfish Well, I don't have

599
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:05.799
time to do this. I gotta take care of my team.

600
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.960
I gotta take care of then organization because I represent them. No,

601
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:12.239
when you don't take care of yourself, you can't take

602
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.000
care of anyone else. I'm up at four thirty five

603
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.480
o'clock in the morning. Now, I walk three to five

604
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.679
miles a day. Now, I read. I'm on my ninth

605
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.519
book for the year. I read one book last year.

606
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.679
I'm a nine in the first quarter. So your passion returns.

607
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.679
That's the next thing. Your passion will return as you

608
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:34.679
care for yourself. And this is something one of my

609
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:38.320
mentors told me, and I didn't quite understand it when

610
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:41.719
she told me, but she said, lean into discomfort, don't

611
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.920
run from it. So so many people, if you're a leader,

612
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.199
you're going to come across things that are just hard,

613
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:52.360
and my coach loves to talk about things that are hard.

614
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:56.119
A good leader is going to tackle those. My old

615
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:59.519
mentor says, lean into it and take care of it.

616
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.880
And then and then lastly, and then I'll stop for

617
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:04.840
a minute, be okay with who you are, and be

618
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:08.559
the best version possible. You know, and you're not going

619
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:10.519
to be able to do that if you don't care

620
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.079
for yourself and take care of your own well being.

621
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:20.960
There's ah. I have heard a lot about work life balance,

622
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.400
and here's my latest version of what I think about that,

623
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:27.920
And I want to get your your response about that.

624
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:33.559
I think that in some ways it's that's stupid that

625
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:34.400
you don't.

626
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:35.599
You can't.

627
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.639
It's really hard to have work life balance. What I

628
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:44.000
like to reframe that to be, when you need to

629
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:47.719
do something, do it one hundred percent, do it full out.

630
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.159
But then make.

631
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.000
Sure have you ever heard the uh the rocks in

632
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:56.800
the in the bucket analogy about putting the big rocks

633
00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.000
in first, which is you know your faith, your family,

634
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.400
you know your health, and then put everything else in.

635
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:08.800
And one thing that I do well, Like you're talking

636
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.440
about your schedule, I'm the same way. I'm my mornings

637
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:19.360
every single morning is working out and scripture, study, journaling, reading.

638
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.440
That's how I start every single day. And I love

639
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.519
it because I feel like those are the big rocks

640
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:26.920
that I'm you know, the big things that I want

641
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.880
to make sure I get into every single day. So

642
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.480
what do you what's your thoughts about the whole work

643
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:35.440
life balance deal.

644
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.320
I love the question because my book tackles it head

645
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.239
on and and I was just talking about this before

646
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.719
I before we before we came on here. So you

647
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.440
cannot separate your personal life and your professional life. You

648
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.320
have to integrate them and you and and and to

649
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:58.159
your point, you that's going to be different for everybody,

650
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.920
depending on your marriage. You got kids, old, your kids are,

651
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.119
you got grandkids. But you have to find a way

652
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.719
to find a way to integrate the two because when

653
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:11.199
you separate them, you do a disservice either to your

654
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:14.760
family or you do a disservice to your career. So

655
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.880
you have to find a way to bring them together

656
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.559
and then you will find balance. If you try to

657
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.360
just judge, you're going to juggle. I mean, if you

658
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:25.840
try to find a way to keep them separately, all

659
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:29.480
you're doing is juggling. So find a way to integrate them,

660
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.320
because you can be successful for them. I never think.

661
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.119
I never thought you could, but you can. And you're

662
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.920
going to go through seasons and ebbs and flows, but

663
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.239
you're going to find that happy medium and then those

664
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.320
ebbs and flows are going to start to become a

665
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:46.679
much smoother line. And especially as you have the right priorities,

666
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.760
you focus on your well being and you're caring for

667
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:50.960
yourself the way that you need to be.

668
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.960
That's awesome. Well, I'm thinking it's it's almost time to

669
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:57.719
wrap this up.

670
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.639
You know, the time has gone fast, you know, and

671
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:05.760
I've really I know the time goes fast when I

672
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:08.000
know that I've been talking about things that are important

673
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.440
and that are and that you know potentially can be

674
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.199
great things to share with with those that are listening.

675
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.039
So do you have any final thoughts?

676
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.199
What would you say to sum this all up?

677
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:23.719
So a friend of mine gave me a couple of

678
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.480
sayings the other day that he uses today's excuses become

679
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.719
tomorrow's problems so so so, and then that goes back

680
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:34.960
to what I talked about about leaning into your discomfort.

681
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.719
And there's hard things, don't put them off. Tackle the

682
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:43.320
hard things first. Someone once told me that whenever you know, yeah,

683
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.639
that's the big guess. As like, one of the worst

684
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.400
things that I had to do and leaders have to

685
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.800
do is when they have to let a team member go,

686
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:53.519
when they have to fire someone. And someone gave me

687
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.320
advice years ago and says, you, when you walk into

688
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.119
that room, you have the you you have the hard

689
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:03.679
part of the conversationation. First, you just say, Johnny, sorry,

690
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.159
this is why, and we're letting you go, and then

691
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.559
have the conversation. So lean into that discomfort. Don't don't

692
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.599
put it off because you know, today's excuse it becomes

693
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:20.039
tomorrow's problems. And lastly, today's encouragement becomes tomorrow's victories. So

694
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:24.360
so you know, be someone that encourages, be someone that's positive,

695
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.679
and don't allow circumstances to dictate how you're going to

696
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.559
act and how you're going to you know, how you're

697
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:35.000
going to act towards other people on your team, your colleagues, friends, family,

698
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.079
who are people that strangers at you're on camera. So

699
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:41.000
be an encouragement because those are going to be tomorrow's victories.

700
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.639
And you may not you you may not ever even

701
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.800
know the outcome of those but you're you're going to

702
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:48.639
help somebody along the way.

703
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.559
The really what you're talking about is a whole discussion

704
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.440
about integrity. Yeah and authenticity.

705
00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:03.000
Really yes, alth two huge words, yes, yes.

706
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Yes and really.

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I think that when you're authentic and when you live

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with your life with integrity, that's when you can give

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back the most. And that's when you can, you know,

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be of value and create value. I think that one

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of the things that we should be focusing on is

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how can we create more value?

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What?

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What? What can we.

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Do that will really be of value? Both you and

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I have been around the block a few times, so

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it's like, look at all this life experience. It's like,

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don't you know I want to put it to use.

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I want it to be something that can be helpful

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out there for other people.

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Hum percent, I don't I love that word. I want

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to do anything where I can't bring value. Yeah, it

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just it's just not worth my time anymore, right, you know?

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I don't want to take from people.

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Well, I think that you have asked a lot of

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good questions in your life, and you have. I think

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you've asked better questions as you on along and learn

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some things, wouldn't you say I would.

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Say you were one hundred, right, Benina.

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We are going to wrap this up today and like

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we talked about, there will be an information sheet or

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flyer or PBF download on the on the podcast website

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so that Michael will have the different resources there to share.

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And we are so grateful that you have joined us today,

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and make sure you ask good questions. Make sure that

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you keep a lookout for Mike Price's new book that

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will be coming out. We'll let you know when that happens.

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And thank you again so much for joining us today.

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Thank you.

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Today's episode is over, but we did ask good questions again,

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didn't We don't miss out as we broadcast live every Wednesday,

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six pm Eastern Time on W four CY Radio at

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w CY dot com. Joined Benina Bellanderson next week for

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more conversations with experts on finances, retirement, behavioral finance issues,

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health and wellness.

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And more.

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Until then, remember to ask good questions.