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Welcome to the Ask Good Questions podcast, broadcasting live every Wednesday,
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6 p.m. Eastern Time on W4CY Radio at W4CY. com. This
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week and every week, we will reach for a higher
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purpose in money and life, as well as a focus
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on health and wellness. Now, let's join your host, Benita
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Bell Anderson, as together we start with Asking Good Questions.
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Hey, welcome to the Ask Good Questions podcast. I am
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your host, Benita Bell Anderson, and boy, do we have
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a topic for you today. We are going to talk
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about some things that just might blow your mind a
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little bit. And so with that, I'd like to invite
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my guest, Rabbi Rothschild, to the podcast stage.
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Thank you for having me.
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Yes, welcome, welcome.
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Let me tell people a little bit about you.
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Tell our listeners who you are.
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So this is Rabbi Michael Moshe Rothschild, and he is basically,
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for the last four years, he has been operating a 24-7,
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365 live stream, creating a continuous archive of human behavior, conversations,
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and online community. So he's been inspired by the idea
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that data has become one of the world's most valuable resources.
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And his work explores how persistent longitudinal human data may
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help future AI systems, researchers, historians, social scientists to better
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understand authentic human behavior over time. So he feels this
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is like a real life Truman show. archive for future
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generations to study. So among his topics are AI, life logging,
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digital anthropology, live stream culture, human AI collaboration, ethics, computational
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social science, attention economics, and the future relationship between humans
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and intelligent machines. You know, when I first saw this,
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I was like, well, this is going to put me
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a little bit on the edge of my comfort zone.
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But I thought this is something, you know, this stuff
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is happening all around us. And so let's explore a
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little bit.
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So welcome.
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And is there anything you'd like to add to that intro?
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No, that's precisely what I do. I am approaching the
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five-year anniversary of this project next month. which is really
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exciting to have documented essentially a half decade worth of footage,
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not just from my life, but world history events.
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Boy, I guess, yeah, you would be able to say that,
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wouldn't you?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Well, you've built a really unusual career. Rabbinical work, project management,
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now full-time futurist and live streamer. So how in the world...
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Did those different streams come together for you?
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Well, it started during the pandemic. In addition to being
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an Orthodox rabbi, I am a certified project management professional.
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I am an app developer, scrum master. And my position
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as such went from going into the office every day
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to going remote during the pandemic. And many of the
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events that I had associated with work became remote. remote,
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as well as many of the classes that I would
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take and even services within my community. And I had
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to become very comfortable being on camera, going from someone
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who really was never on camera to someone who was
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on camera anywhere between 8 and 12 hours a day.
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And I would say that the anxiety that I have
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or anyone would have of being on camera so much
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really was reduced the more that I did it. And
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I really started to recognize that the things that I
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do are really linked with humans, people in general, knowledge, technology,
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and really the future. And so being a rabbi, a
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project management professional, and now a futurist and live streamer
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really aren't that different. I really am focused from all
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of those different positions on where's technology taking us and
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what is that going to mean in terms of our
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being humans and in what ways is that changing? Wow.
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Well, what first drew you into studying AI and data?
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And I'm seeing you as being really focused on the
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future of human life. And so what drew you into
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taking this so seriously?
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Certainly. Well, I can say that when I was a
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young person, my family would have a camcorder, like I'm
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sure many people out there, and we would record different events.
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would perhaps record the event, and maybe we'd watch it
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years later or whatever, but we ended the recording. And
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I would ask, why don't we just continue the cameras
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all the time? And I would explain that that wasn't
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really practical enough. and that no one really does that.
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be really interesting to record a human life. And it
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was during the late 1990s, the movie The Truman Show
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came out. And this movie was very interesting to me,
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the idea of the entire human life being on camera.
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And many people correlate my project with The Truman Show
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or a television show like Big Brother. The The major
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difference is that we have my consent to do this.
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No one's forcing me to stream my life. And as
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we moved into the pandemic, I began recognizing that being
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on camera for so long, for so many hours, was
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really somewhat a waste if I can't share that with
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the world. And so it was approximately in fall of
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2021 that that I began to purchase many different devices,
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including Chromebooks and laptops, tablets, iPhones, Android devices, you name it,
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and started signing up for social media sites and really
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putting these devices around myself in 360 degrees. At that time,
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I was not as focused on AI as I am today,
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simply from the fact that AI and large language models
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would take another year to really be launched into the forefront.
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And so it was in November of 2022 that I
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had learned that I could be an early adopter of
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something called ChatGPT. And I would experiment with this over
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the course of the month of November and was really
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pretty unimpressed. However, that would quickly change. It was in
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November 30th, 2022, when ChatGPT was launched to the public
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en masse. And very quickly did I see the developments
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that were made and how it was changing society and
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how it just so happened to be serendipitous that I'd
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already been livestreaming my life for over a year, and
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I basically could tell a story of what life was
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like before AI had been launched into our lives, what
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life was like at the launch, and now what life
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is like with all the developments and the replacement of
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many people's positions, AI's role with robotics, and really how
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AI can be used as a tool to improve people's
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lives in the future. And so it was over the
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course of my life that different developments would happen that
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began for me to really start studying AI data and
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its role in the future of human society. Wow.
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So I'm just thinking, I know that somebody's going to
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be wondering about this.
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Do you have a family?
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Do you have other people who live in your household
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where all these cameras and everything are?
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I have roommates. I have certainly family throughout the world.
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I have roommates who generally are not on camera. We
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keep each other's privacy or I keep their privacy just
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that private. But they have been on camera during the
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course of the last almost five years. But that was
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with their own consent. And I've had other people who
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have come and visited me in Irvine, California, which is
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where I'm based. Basically, people have traveled from as far
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away as 10 hours away just to. see what I'm doing,
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and I've given them tours of where I live. We've
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gone on picnics. I do do IRL live streaming as well.
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So I've streamed as far north as Santa Barbara, as
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far south as San Diego, really everywhere within Southern California.
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And because of that, there have been other people who
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have been on my stream in the public, certainly. But
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with the people with whom I live, I respect their privacy,
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as I would hope they would do if the shoe
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was on the other foot.
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Right, right.
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So doing this, is there anything in particular that you
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can think of that you've learned from it?
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That we're all, as humans, not that different. I interact
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with people on every continent just about every single day,
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and we all have the same desires. We all want
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to live healthy, long, really... happy lives, that we all,
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no matter what your background is, your socioeconomic background, your creed,
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your race, your culture, that there are just commonalities that
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being comfortable is very important to individuals, that we all
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love to learn, generally, that we have many of the
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same needs and desires across the globe. And really, this
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project has made me recognize even more so to understand
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that we humans are 99.9% the same DNA. We're not
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that different. And so I focus, and I have my
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project focus, on the things that unite people, like world peace,
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ending world hunger, ending world thirst, as opposed to that
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which divides us.
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So you have said that data is becoming the world's
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most valuable resource.
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So why do you believe that?
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And, you know, I'm always going to be trying to
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figure out what does this mean for everyday people that
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are listening to this podcast?
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Most certainly. Well, the first time I ever heard that
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was in 2017. When I was in a meeting as
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an app developer and I had heard that the Economist
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magazine had stated that data had recently overtaken petroleum as
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Earth's most valuable resource. And this at the time was
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in 2017. And this was quite interesting to me to
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think that data, this invisible thing, was more valuable.
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And that's before all the AI stuff.
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Most certainly, yes. And it was actually during an SEO discussion,
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search engine optimization. The person with whom I was having
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the conversation was saying that data at the time was
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really the next frontier. And we didn't quite understand where
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that was taking us. But they were most certainly right.
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And it seems as if The Economist has been correct
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in predicting this. And at the time, it made me
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start to realize that the data that I was organizing
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as an app developer, may have some major possibilities in
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the future. But over the course of the decade or
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so that has occurred since then, I've really recognized that
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we're living in a world where almost everything is running
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on data, whether it's AI, medicine, science, finance, transportation, business,
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and of course, social media. All of this is heavily
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dependent on data. And something with my project, a photograph
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might tell you something. A thousand photographs over decades tell
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you something completely different. And certainly video, over the course
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of that amount of time, could tell you something even more. Basically,
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what I'm doing is building a longitudinal picture of an individual.
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people in the future, especially in terms of biology and ageing.
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in snippets or one picture a day, but a complete
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continuous view of an individual and how aging affects them
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may be very important for people of the future to
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be able to study. And really, it made me recognize
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that we're not just consumers of data anymore. We're also
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constantly producing it. And if that's true, why not do
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my best to be able to publish it?
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Well, we are going to heavily get into the medical
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technologies and everything. But first, I want to ask you about,
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you know, basically when I first saw your name and
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I went, he's a rabbi and he's also like a
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tech guy. It's basically the ideas of faith and futurism.
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It seems like they're on different ends of the spectrum.
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How do you hold those two worldviews together?
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Well, being someone who's science-based and rabbinical is not that unique.
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It goes back for thousands of years, including some of
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my greatest inspirations. One within the Jewish community is known
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as Rambam, also known as Machmanides, Rabbi Moshe ben Machman,
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who was a doctor as well as a rabbi. And
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this has been something that really has been consistent over
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the course of centuries that many rabbis were multiple hats.
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And I personally don't necessarily see my religious understanding, my
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faith and futurism as being in conflict. I think they
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really ask different questions. Science certainly asks, how does something work?
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And religion and philosophy many times ask, what does this mean?
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And ethics, of course, ask, what should I do with it?
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And technology gives us these new capabilities. AI is a medicine, education, science,
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and of course work. But we still have to ask
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what kind of society we want to create with it.
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And so I'm able to wear both hats and understand,
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I feel, from a unique point of view, the ways
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in which AI and science in general is shaping humanity.
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I really feel that the future isn't just a technology problem,
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but it's a human problem. And thus, both a faith-based
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and a future-based view on the future, I feel, are
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extremely important and valuable as I attempt to solve many
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of these challenges.
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Wow. There's just so many different, you know, you're just
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making me think of all kinds of things. But before
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we get into the medical issues, what's the biggest misconception
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that you think people have?
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I mean, somebody listening and going, what in the heck?
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What's the biggest misconception that you people have about technology,
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and where in the world are we headed as a