Jan. 7, 2026

From Rock Bottom to Radiant: How Natural Medicine and Nature Healed My Chronic Illness

From Rock Bottom to Radiant: How Natural Medicine and Nature Healed My Chronic Illness
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Season 2

What do you do when you’ve tried everything, your body is failing, and you’re preparing to say goodbye? Antoinette Lee shares how she rebuilt her health and identity through natural medicine, outdoor recreation, and the decision to create a “new normal” rather than accept defeat. If you’re navigating chronic symptoms, burnout, or discouragement, this conversation will help you identify your next best step—and remind you that a vibrant life may still be possible.

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as well as a focus on health and wellness. Now,

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let's join your host, Anita bell Anderson, as together we

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start with Asking Good Questions.

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Hey, Hello, and welcome to the Ask Good Questions podcast.

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My name is Benita bell Anderson, and I am so

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excited today for the guests that we are going to

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be learning from. Her name is Antoinette Lee. I'm going

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to invite her to the proverbial podcast stage.

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Hi, Benita.

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Hello, Hello, So, as a lot of you know, I'm

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in I'm in Hawaii doing a senior mission with my husband,

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and so you know, you can do podcasting wherever you are.

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And Antoinette is, she says, up in the north.

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Woods, right I am. I'm in a forest in the

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north Woods, in the ice belt of the Midwestern United States.

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Have you gotten snow yet?

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Oh my goodness. We've had snow for three months now

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and it's awesome.

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All right. Well, yeah, the only snow that is here

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in Hawaii is at the very tippy top of one

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of the mountains. But nothing like that. Well, let me

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tell you a little bit about this girl. She is

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a she's a superwoman kind of in my eyes. She's

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an MBA. She's a former tech CEO. She's an eleven

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year US Army veteran. She was an Air assault qualified

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expert field medic trained in anatomy and physiology and pharmacology

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and infection control and disease prevention food. So, but today

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she has a really interesting story that we're going to

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enjoy learning from. She is an outdoor industry influencer. Now,

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she's a model, she's a consultant, she's a freelance writer

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at several magazines. She's the founder of the American Adventure

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Sports Club nonprofit Do you have any time to just

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go walk in the woods?

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And I'm wondering every day?

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Every day?

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Good you make time?

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And she's a motivational health and wellness speaker. She delivers

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a podcast of her own called The New Normal, Big Life,

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and it's a talk, it's a blog, and it's a podcast.

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And she has a debut book that is called Four

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Hours to Live, a Soldier's Journey of Adoption, Assault and Advocacy.

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So aside from an amazing recovery journey from using a

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walk or a service show, now is your service dog

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still around? Phoebe?

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Right, Phoebe is now fifteen years old and going strong,

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believe it or not.

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Awesome must be from all those walks.

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And cross country skiing.

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Okay, so she was also a one time a full

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time caregiver, as I have done a lot of caregiving

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in my day. But she had a traumatic brain injury.

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We're going to find out about that injury and PTSD

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and she now shows others how to create their new

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normal and live the biggest life that they can dream.

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One of her Passions is talking about how outdoor recreation

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is at the intersection of health and wellness and stewardship

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and adventure. I love that she can usually be found

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in the north Woods with her family, stearting the forest

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and river around their homestead while living the adventure sports lifestyle.

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She will. She leaves listeners and anyone that she's talking

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to with action steps to create their new normal and

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inspiration to live a big life. So how about that,

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I is there anything you'd like to add to that intro?

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I think you've nailed it, and you know, hearing that

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my life back at me is like, Wow, I've done

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a lot, but you know, I'm old. I just turned

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through the eight in November, so I've had a lot

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of You're.

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Not a general because I got you on that one,

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but yeah, No, the whole idea is to live every

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day to the fullest and to live the healthiest life

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and do those things that will help you create that

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healthy life, right.

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Right, Longevity is everything in twenty twenty six. Longevity and

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wearable devices are kind of the buzzwords that everyone's talking about, right.

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You know, I gotta tell you before I ask you

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this first question. I have been repelling. And when I

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first was reading about this repelling accident and we were

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talking about it, I was like, you know, I remember

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getting all, you know, just harnessed, and I'm feeling like

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this is completely safe.

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I was.

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I was at a cliff in Zion National Park. Uh,

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you know, just you know, going way down. But I

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felt completely safe because I'm looking at all the ropes

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and the harnesses and the everything pounded into the rocks.

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And so take us back to the repelling accident. What

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changed instantly and how did that happen?

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completely safe, except the conditions that injured another soldier were

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the same conditions that injured me on my way down

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to give him aid. And so I didn't fall off

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the mountain. I slammed into the mountain. So when you're repelling,

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as you know, you have your feet out in an

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L shaped position, and you hit the mountain, your feet

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will bounce off the mountain, and you've got a person

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on bley down below who will tighten the rope if

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you start to fall. It just so happened that when

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I slipped my balat person's attention. Now, I don't remember

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any of this. I only know what people told me.

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I have no memory until two weeks before the accident.

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So the day before the accident, most of the time

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that I was in the hospital, I don't remember any

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of that, So I only know from onlookers. And apparently

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my blay person was distracted, so there was just like

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a few second delay of when they tightened the rope.

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But when I slipped, I swung out like a pendulum.

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I swung into the mountain and hit my head and

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then also swung back into the mountain again and hit

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my bottom, and then it broke my back. And so

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by the time that I was thirty two, I had

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arthritis from my neck to my tailbone, both knees, a

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shoulder that needed to be paired, reconnected to my bicep,

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and then complications from the injuries.

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Wow, So what changed slowly over time was just it

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just sounds like there was a lot of cascading pieces

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that were becoming noticeable over time.

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Great, so you have the initial injury and you think, oh, well,

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in the grand scheme of things, I'm not hurt so bad.

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In air quotes, thank god, you know, I survived it.

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I'm not in a wheelchair. I well, I am technically

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in a wheelchair, but once I leave the hospital, I'll

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no longer be in the wheelchair. I'll just have a pin,

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probably for a short time, and I will recover and

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go back to work, is what I thought. And I

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did have occupational therapy and physical therapy and all of

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the things to get me back to working and living

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my life. Maybe not at one hundred percent because at

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the time when I was injured, I came into the

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military a state championship runner, and while I was in

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the military, I was a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter for

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the army, and so it took a long while before

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I could recover. But I was at a very advanced

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level of fitness when I got injured, and that is

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one thing that helped me. So having all that muscle

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protected my back from a more serious injury.

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Wow.

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So over time, you know, I went back to work.

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I think it took maybe three months or so, and

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then I continued living my life, but little by little,

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it was like boiling a frog slowly. You don't realize that,

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you know, I don't. My memory is not as good,

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and sometimes I lose my words, and sometimes I struggle

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to focus and some days, you know, I need a

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lot of pain medication just to be able to go

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to work. And so it was all these little things

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just compounding. But what made it substantially worse was that

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allopathic or conventional medicine just was not working for me.

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And I was on twenty medications at one time and

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getting sicker and sicker by the day. Yeah.

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So when you say you relied on a walker and

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a service dog and a full time caregiver, is that

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when you got Phoebe was when this happened?

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Yes, So I got Phoebe after, not at the initial injury.

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I got her maybe, Oh gosh, to do the math,

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it was almost a decade later that I went into decline.

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But the reason I went into such severe decline, in

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my opinion, it was that, you know, medications are chemicals,

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and they can be very very beneficial, especially when you're

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first injured, because they work fast, they're very strong, and

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they usually do the job that we want them to do,

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or that our doctors think they will do for us. However,

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there are some people for whom their bodies are just

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wired differently. And we are very sensitive to our environment.

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We're very sensitive to the things the foods we eat,

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the ingredients we use in products like healthcare and cleaning products,

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and the ingredients in our food Some people can eat

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chunk and perform at a high level. I'm not one

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of those people. Some people can take medications and say

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better living through chemistry and nothing ever happens to them.

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But for me, it was causing organ damage. My kidneys

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were failing because of the medications, and I was on

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phone medications at one time that all caused kidney of

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the side effect for kidney damage.

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I got really crazy over this issue about medications with

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my mother when my mother was dying, and they'd give

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her a medication, but then they would give her something

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else to counteract the side effects, and then there'd be

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another side effect, and so I was like, I remember

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just being so frustrated over that whole thing. But it

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so you know, you had said that you had excellent

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health insurance, but what gaps were there? Then? If you're

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receiving all these things and you know they had the

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best intentions, but what gaps did you experience in the system.

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background in healthcare, I knew to ask questions about medications

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every medication has what they call side effects. It's not

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a side effect, is it's a potential likely effect based

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on data. Right, other patients have had these effects. Now,

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I brought up to every care provider that gave me

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a medication that could potentially damage my kidneys? Are you

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aware that I'm on three or four medications that also

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run the risk of kidney damage? And they would all

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say the same thing. You're on a very low dose

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of each medication. I don't think it will be a problem.

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And because I'm not the one with an MD, right,

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I have a NBA and a degree in economics and

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a degree in science, but I'm not an MD. So

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I relied on their judgment that if you say it's

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going to be fine, you're the one with the MD,

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I'm going to trust you. And until it wasn't fine,

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and I nearly died because of it. So not only that,

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but I became so allergic to so many manyations that

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today when I do need a medication, it's very difficult

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to find one that has not put me into anaphylactic

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shock in the past or given me a side effect

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that in the grand scheme of side effects, when you

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look at the ones that are just maybe a little mild,

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like may cause drowsiness, or one that could potentially stop

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your heart or cause dangerously low blood sugar. I'm the

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person who gets the one that could stop your heart

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or dangerously low blood sugar.

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It's just a way that I'm wired. So I'm not

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anti medication, and I do occasionally take of medication for

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a short time, but very consistently. When I take a medication,

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for me, it's a fifty to fifty chance that I'm

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going to have an allergic reaction, and there's a fifty

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to fifty chance I'm going to have a very dangerous

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side effect experience.

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I think this is great medication motivation to be living

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the most healthy lifestyle that you can possibly live. Right.

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Well, I know that there were several surgeries involved in

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all of this, and you've described hitting rock bottom after

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what a fifth surgery.

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a thirty day wait before my fifth surgery, and during

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that period, I thought I wasn't going to make it

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to the next day, let alone to my next surgery.

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made you think to yourself. I just can't keep doing

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this the same way. Because obviously, with you being on

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this podcast and describing this whole story, there's a big

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aha moment coming. But I want people to understand what

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the context of where you are now is. And so,

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was there a moment where you just said, I just

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can't keep doing I've got to do something different.

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I woke up one day just feeling like I was

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not going to make it until the next day. But

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instead of telling my caregiver, oh my goodness, I'm worried

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that something is very wrong. We need to run to

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the emergency room right now, I didn't have that sense.

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I really had this inner feeling that it's already too

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late to do anything about it. And so my caregiver

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noticed that I wasn't doing well, but it was by

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the time they noticed it was really late. And if

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you have any experience with emergency rooms, you don't really

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want to go in the middle of the night or

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on a weekend. No, And we could talk about that later,

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but no rooms not terrible, So we wanted to wait

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until the next morning. And I didn't communicate this and

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I'm not sure why. Maybe I was. I don't want

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to say that I was giving up hope that I

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would get better, but I think in that moment, my

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physical body felt so worn out. I really felt like

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my organs were shutting down. My respiration was very, very slow.

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I felt like the next time that I fall asleep,

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I wasn't going to wake up. And I was not

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panicked about it, because I have a relationship with God.

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I know who I am, I know who I've been

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in this world. I know that I've been a good

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human being. I was just in gratitude. I didn't say

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take me to the emergency room. I said, God, I

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don't want this to be my last day, but if

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it is, thank you for the life I've had. I've loved,

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I've been loved, I've had awards and accolades. I've accomplished

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many things in that forty years of life that most

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people don't accomplish in seventy years of life. And I

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looked at my dog, Phoebe, who would not leave my side,

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not for food, water, to go out to play. She

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would not leave my side, and she looked at me

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like she was saying goodbye. And also in my eyes

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that day or in that moment, I was looking down

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on my body. I was looking down on Phoebe and

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it felt as if my soul had left my body

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and it was just sort of waiting for whatever kind

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yeah to go. And so that's why I wasn't in

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a panic about getting to the emergency room. So I

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thank God for my life, and I said, but if

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you give me one more day, I'm going to figure

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out why I'm so sick, because I'm not the only one.

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Right I meet people all the time in doctor's offices

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who are like me, complex medical problems that can't seem

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to find answers for. And you the next.

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Day, Yeah, you you make me think that you were

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basically getting this whole idea that you needed to advocate

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differently for yourself.

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I think the next morning, when I woke up, that

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was when I realized I need to be a different

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kind of advocate. I need to What I did not

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do in the past was when my gut feeling, when

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my own body was telling me that what these doctors

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were recommending were not a good idea based on experience,

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based on my experience with anaphylactic shock. Most of the

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time when I take a new medication, or if I've

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been on a medication, even for ten years, one day

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I'll take a dose and I go into anaphylactic shock.

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It's became apparent that long term use of medication was

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not right for me personally. It may be right for

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some people, just not for me. I realized I needed

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to be the sort of advocate that trusted her own

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gut and intuition, but also research for herself and then

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not allow doctors to gaslight you into shutting down when

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you're trying to have a discussion about your healthcare treatment plan.

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So let's stop a minute. I don't know if everyone there.

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I mean, I remember when I first heard that term.

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I was like, what does that mean? And so, when

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you define medical gaslighting, what are the most common ways

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that it shows up for patients that have some kind

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of chronic illness.

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Well, when you report your symptoms to a doctor and

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they start diminishing your symptoms or attributing them to some

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sort of mental defect or telling you that what you're

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seeing and feeling is not valid, that's a good sign

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you're being gas lit. And here's some examples of how

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it might show up between you and your doctor when

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you're advocating for yourself or someone you love, and I'll

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tell you in the form of a story that happened

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to me. So I am a fit, muscular person. I

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have a bench press, well, not now, but in the

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past I've had a bench press of few hundred pounds,

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three hundred and fifty pounds squat, and a five hundred

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pound deadlift. Today I can pick up one hundred pounds

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without a problem, even with my back injury and arthritis.

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You know, I live on a homestead. I carry one

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hundred pounds all the time by myself. But when I

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told my doctor, I have a healthy diet, I live

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a healthy lifestyle. I'm fit and active. There's no reason

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I should have a forty pound weight gain. And in

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my research, I found the autopsy of a woman who

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could be my double, same age, ethnicity, even from the

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same ethnic group, and she had all of the symptoms

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that I'm currently experienced. And she died of a massive

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heart attack, even though her brother who was with her

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is a paramedic and couldn't save her life. And she

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got to the ambulance within eight minutes of the heart attack.

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So I was concerned about these very serious information that

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I found. And my doctor asked me if I thought

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maybe I could be living in the wrong gender and

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that I should embrace my weight gain because of body

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positivity and shapes and beauty comes in all shapes and sizes. Okay,

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this is my cardiologist, right, that was gaslighting.

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Yeah wow.

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And so he didn't run any tests. And here's the

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other piece about gaslighting. The doctor will make an assessment

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that it's just in your mind and you have a

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mood disorder or an identity problem or dysfunction without running

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any tests. So he didn't run any tests to check

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my heart, He didn't run any tests to check any

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of my blood work, my blood panels. He just said,

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I'm going to give you a console to mental health

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because I think you have gender dysphoria and you're struggling

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with body positivity.

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Oh my gosh, that would make me so angry.

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Well, and so for the listeners out there, I am

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a very feminine woman. There is no way anyone could

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even just suspect that I don't know what my gender

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identity is, that I could.

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Know who you are, right, yeah, yeah, Well, so if

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someone listening suspects suspects that they're being dismissed, which is

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what this is, is they're being dismissed. What are three

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practical scripts or questions? This is the Ask Good Questions

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podcast after all, So what are some good questions that

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they can use in the exam room.

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Well, I'll tell you some that I use personally. And

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so one is bringing the conversation back to your original question.

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So what do you think about this unexplained weight gain?

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This forty pound weight gain? And for example, that doctor

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who dismissed me caused me to get a delay and

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treatment for a very serious condition that's now under control.

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So that's so I just want to impress upon you

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that if you allow a doctor or a healthcare worker

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to gaslight you without challenging them, it could cause you

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your life. It's a very serious thing. Yeah, So bringing

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the conversation back to your original question, and then ask

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them have you treated other people with a complicated case

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like mine? Or is this very unusual? What's your experience

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with what I'm going through? And the third one would

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be I'd say maybe ask the doctor what tests they

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would run and what information they would get from those

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tests that they planned to run. So my doctor didn't

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plan to ask me to run any tests. So I

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brought it back around to so are we going to

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test and what might you find in those tests?

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And let's see what he would say. That would be

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like a big clue.

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Right wow. So I interviewed a hospital administrator, doctor Julie Seemurs,

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in episode twenty five of New Normal, Big Life, and

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that episode is called Surviving your Hospital Stay, and in it,

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doctor Seemers and I talk about what you can do

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to advocate for yourself because during the process of advocating

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your for yourself, if you become agitated, if you raise

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your voice, then that gives patient advocate and security and

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the doctor the ammunition to say to you that you're

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just having a mood disorder problem and we need to

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give you a concept to mental health versus taking your

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symptoms seriously. So you want to stay calm, and there

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is a hierarchy of escalation, so you can go to

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patient advocate and then there's a next level, in a

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next level, and the next level when you're being gas

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lit or not getting the answers you need for yourself

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or your loved one.

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Well, how would you respond to And I'm thinking that

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there's got to be a balance between respecting medical expertise

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while trusting your own experience with your own body. Right,

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there's got to be a balance, And I think what

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you're saying is it has to do with how you

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feel in your gut about what's right for you.

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Yes, you know, before human beings had the ability to speak,

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we communicated information or I'm sorry, we received information externally

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using our senses, what we could hear, feel, smell, see,

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et cetera. And so once we started talking, human beings

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started relying on spoken word more than what we were feeling.

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So in your ancient brain that we think of as

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our intuition, and a lot of people feel it. Butterflies

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in the stomach or hair is on the back of

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your neck. Those are the things before we had language

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that kept us alive. But we've gotten so far away

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from that because we rely on what we could hear,

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you know, in spoken word on podcasts, or what someone

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might tell you or read when we're doing research online.

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But you need to go back to listening to what

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your body is telling you. And one hundred percent of

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the time since I started listening to my body and

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weighing that against what doctors were advising me and what

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I find in my research, I have been right one

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hundred percent of the time, and so today using AI,

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because I don't know everything, even though I do have

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a medical background, I don't know everything right. So using AI,

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you can use tools like perplexity dot com and type

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in your symptom and ask what is the normal allopathic

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treatment for this problem? Of what kinds of medications might

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they recommend? What types of surgery or therapies, what types

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of natural things could I try first? Right, you could

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get all that information go into your doctor's appointment knowing

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almost as much as they do because they use AI too.

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They don't know, they can't remember everything about everything they

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learned in medical school, and you're just a more informed

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healthcare consumer when you do that, and then you weigh

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their advice. I always say, I've heard what you said

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about which medication you think I should take. I'm going

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to go home and research that and I will call

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your office tomorrow to tell you whether or not I

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want to take that medication. Or I've heard you say

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that you want me to have surgery. I'm going to

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research the risks versus benefits and call you back tomorrow

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and tell you whether or not I want that surgery.

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I can tell you from experience that most of your

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doctors will not like it. They want you to say yes, ma'am,

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yes sir, and keep it moving. But if you say

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it calmly, professionally and matter of factly, and then in

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the discussion there so if they want to argue with

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you or any of that, you can simply just say, Okay,

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I'm going to end my appointment and I'm going to

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00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.039
go talk to patient advocate. Yeah.

471
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.720
Well, so I think that we've got a pretty good

472
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:40.920
idea of where you've been. Let's start talking now about

473
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:47.160
this healing framework of yours, basically the elements of natural

474
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:53.240
medicine plus nature. So natural medicine first. So when you

475
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.039
say natural medicine, what are you talking about? Are you

476
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:03.359
talking about nutrition or lifestyle well or stress or supplementation?

477
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.279
What does it mean for you? It means all of

478
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:12.279
those things. So I'll give you a really easy way

479
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:18.559
to understand this. Not just me. Although when I first

480
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:23.960
started this, I was operating just on intuition. I didn't

481
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.200
read that this is what I should do. But today

482
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.319
a lot of doctors are telling you this. In there

483
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:36.519
in your office visit that it used to be thought

484
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.400
that fifty percent of what makes you who you are

485
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.799
is genetic, right, and that still is true, But you

486
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.839
can turn those genes off or on by lifestyle choices

487
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:53.000
and environmental impacts. Ten percent of what makes you who

488
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.880
you are. That's what happens to you, and what's in

489
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.880
your environment, what happens in society, all of those things.

490
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.680
You're not in control of your genes. You are in

491
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.640
control of gene expression, meaning you can make lifestyle choices

492
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.119
that will turn those genes on or off. And you're

493
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.319
not fully in control of your environment. You can make

494
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:14.279
sure your house doesn't have mold, for example, but you

495
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:18.400
can't control the pollution in the air or the favor

496
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:22.759
chemicals in your water, right, But you can control that

497
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:27.839
other remaining forty percent, And those are lifestyle choices. But

498
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:32.839
here's the new twist today. When I started in twenty fourteen,

499
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.359
it was thought that you are forty percent in control

500
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:40.559
of your health and wellness through lifestyle choices. Newer research

501
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.680
says you are ninety to ninety eight percent in control

502
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:49.039
of your good health and longevity based on lifestyle choices. Yeah,

503
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.680
so what I knew instinctively was that I needed to

504
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:58.480
go back to the way that human beings were before

505
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.400
the industrial age. I needed to go back to the

506
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.160
way that my parents lived before they moved to a city.

507
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.680
So both my parents were raised on farms. They grew

508
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.240
most of what they ate, They raised most of what

509
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:17.440
they ate, They fished and hunted. They didn't eat a

510
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:20.400
lot of processed foods, and they raised us to be

511
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.119
that way too. As an adult, I didn't eat a

512
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.440
lot of processed foods, but they are sneaky little toxic

513
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.599
ingredients that even if you read labels but you don't

514
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.279
understand the words that you're reading, can sneak in. And

515
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:38.079
that's why I did a whole episode on the toxic ingredients,

516
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:41.759
and you can print it out and download those ingredients

517
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:43.440
so you can take them to the store and make

518
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:47.880
sure you avoid them in your food, water, health and

519
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:53.920
beauty aids, and in your cleaning products. The other thing

520
00:33:53.960 --> 00:34:01.039
that I just knew instinctively was that after my brain

521
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.480
injury and spinal injury became so debilitating that I had

522
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:09.280
to use a walker and a full time caregiver, I

523
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:17.199
realize that I needed to go outside. My doctors told me.

524
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:21.039
Sleep as much as possible, rest, don't over exert yourself,

525
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.840
stay out of the sun. All of these things were

526
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:28.119
completely wrong, mind you, but these were what MDIs told me.

527
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.599
We now know that we need sunshine, we need to

528
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.480
be around other human beings, we need socialization, we need

529
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:41.440
to move our bodies, we need to eat unprocessed foods

530
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:46.480
without toxic chemicals, and we need to drink half your

531
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:51.719
body weight and ounces of water every day. And so

532
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:56.199
that was the first thing that I decided that I

533
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.840
was going to do. But I also had the benefit

534
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.280
of having a medical journal. I had been writing down

535
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:06.719
symptoms and how I felt when I ate certain things,

536
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.960
or drink certain things, or took certain supplements, and I

537
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.039
could go back to that and see that when I

538
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.079
did these things, I felt well. When I did these things,

539
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:21.440
I got sicker and sicker. So writing down your symptoms

540
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.760
also gives you a way to talk about that with

541
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.519
your doctor. And so I do have a step by

542
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.639
step plan that I can tell listeners how they can

543
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:33.360
get started creating their new normal to live a big

544
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:35.119
life as well.

545
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:40.639
Well for someone who's home bound, you know, maybe low

546
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.840
energy mobility, maybe they're limited mobility wise, you know, they're

547
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:48.079
probably resonating with a lot of things that you've said,

548
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:55.119
But what are realistic nature doses that they could, even

549
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.039
in that state, that they could do to get started

550
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:04.559
with more more nature, you know, hits for themselves. What

551
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:06.519
could they do to begin.

552
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.320
Well, Benita, this is a great question. So when I began,

553
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.159
I had been in my home for eighteen months. I

554
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.679
had developed agoraphobia and I couldn't leave my home. All

555
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:23.519
of my healthcare was done in home, through telemedicine and

556
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:28.519
through my care provider. And when I decided to create

557
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.400
my new normal, I wrote out what my new normal

558
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.719
was going to be right, and then I set out

559
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.679
to do it. And the very first thing I did

560
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.159
was roll my walker into a whitewater kayaking class and

561
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.559
a heated pool and learn how to kayak. And I

562
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.320
spent three months learning how to kayak in the pool.

563
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.760
And then I rolled my walker to the river's edge

564
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.840
and got on the river, and for the first time

565
00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:00.480
in years, I felt air quotes normal. I didn't have

566
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.360
my service dog, I didn't have a care provider. I

567
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:07.119
was on the river kayaking like everybody else, and that

568
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.639
was very freeing, and it also made me feel less

569
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:14.239
anxious about all the things that made me fearful when

570
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:19.199
I couldn't leave my home. It restored my sense of

571
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:24.760
I do have everything I need inside me to handle

572
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.679
whatever situations may come up. When I leave my house.

573
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.519
I just paddled the river for heaven, say I can

574
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.000
do anything. Now, That's really how I felt. So for

575
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.920
that person who's at home and you have an amputated

576
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.480
arm or an amputated leg, know this. I recreate with

577
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:47.639
adaptive sports athletes all the time. I've climbed mountains with

578
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:51.239
a teenager who was born without arms. I have whitewater

579
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:56.239
kayak with a veteran who lost an arm in combat.

580
00:37:56.599 --> 00:38:00.960
I've kayaked with a veteran who lost a leg. So

581
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.639
having a mobile se stability, or even a cognitive challenge

582
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.320
doesn't limit you with what you can do. You can

583
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.199
do all of the things through adaptive sports.

584
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.480
I was just one of the things I'm doing here

585
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.519
in Hawaii is I help with a nonprofit called Travel

586
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:24.199
Visions Aloha. Travel Visions Aloha is dealing with the blind community,

587
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.480
and I just got to help them experience dolphins in

588
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:32.559
a lagoon with dolphins and getting in this I was,

589
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.599
I was in charge of this little girl who's you know,

590
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:40.079
so she's I'm standing beside her to make sure that she,

591
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:45.440
you know, is appropriate around the dolphin. But she's able

592
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.199
to take her hands out and fill the belly of

593
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.559
the dolphin, and the dolphin is making anyway. So yeah,

594
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.559
it's amazing what can be done through sports.

595
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:00.760
It really is, so really and it's life change.

596
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.760
Oh yeah, yeah, and you know, so I'm with you.

597
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.320
The next thing I'm going to be doing in a

598
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.159
couple of days, I'm going to be taking those same

599
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.280
blind people. They're going to be going out in outrigger canoes.

600
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.800
Oh, that's going to be so fun. I actually know

601
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:25.840
the first man. Well, it was two blind kayakers, Lonnie

602
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:31.440
and also Eric Weinmere, and I'm friends with both. Well,

603
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.599
I met Lonnie, I don't know him well, but I'm

604
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.800
friends with Eric Weinmere. I used to serve on his

605
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:41.599
board at No Barriers. But he's the first blind person

606
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:45.639
to thumb at Mount Everest and one of two blind

607
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.360
people to be the first to whitewater kayak the entire

608
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.079
Grand Canyon, two hundred and seventy seven miles of some

609
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:57.280
of the most ferocious whitewater in North America.

610
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.840
So how did you shift identity? So, I mean you're

611
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:09.960
basically shifting from a patient slash survivor to adventure sportswoman.

612
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:13.760
Well, I had a little layover in tech.

613
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:18.400
Yeah, oh yeah, the layer in tech. Okay, I don't

614
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:20.280
think we have trying to get into that today. Maybe

615
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:25.280
another day, but that that was a transition, and I

616
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.480
think first and foremost it was an emotional transition.

617
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:32.519
Right, Well, it really is because any kind of loss

618
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:36.960
of identity, from becoming an empty nester to having a

619
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:43.840
significant health challenge or an injury, or changing jobs like

620
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.320
I did leaving the military, any kind of closed community

621
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.159
like law enforcement or military. We have our own culture

622
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:57.360
and our own language and very deep friendships, and so

623
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:01.920
changing identities for any one is difficult. Human beings don't

624
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:08.840
like change. It's not something that we enjoy. But you

625
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.079
really lose who you used to be. And that's why

626
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:18.320
I like to tell people mourn what you had. That's

627
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:23.199
a very valid thing to do, okay, and allow yourself

628
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.440
to think about what's possible in the future. What will

629
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.519
your new normal be because you're never getting that old

630
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.719
life back. You know, you can't bring your kids back home. Well,

631
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.280
maybe you can if they want to. Right, if you're

632
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.079
an empty nester and you're really struggling with that, you

633
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:44.599
can be like me and recover most of your good health.

634
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.320
But I still do have flare ups sometimes. I do

635
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:49.880
still have to use a cane from time to time,

636
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.119
and I can't always do the things that I want

637
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:58.880
to do, but I manage my healthcare needs completely differently.

638
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.360
And creating a new identity as part of taking that

639
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:09.039
new normal, big life journey for figuring out what will

640
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:12.800
you be in your new normal? How will that look?

641
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:15.039
How will you show up in the world, What kinds

642
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:18.159
of people will you surround yourself with? What kinds of

643
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:22.760
things will you do for school, work or play? And

644
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.400
that's where it starts, and from there you take one

645
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.639
step every day towards that new normal.

646
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:35.000
I was just listening to someone talk about asking questions

647
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:38.599
instead of doing affirmations because and I thought what they

648
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.639
said was so true, because they were saying, if you

649
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:46.760
do affirmations, you're saying like I'm I'm going to lose

650
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.039
forty pounds, and I'm so glad that I've lost forty pounds,

651
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.159
And they're saying in your head, your head is saying no,

652
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.079
you're still you know, you haven't lost forty pounds, you know.

653
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.679
Instead it's like what do I have to do? You know,

654
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:02.920
just asking questions about what do I have to do

655
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:07.400
to get there? So I need to start wrapping up.

656
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.679
We could talk for a long time here. I feel

657
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:12.440
like if a listener we need to do, I want

658
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.760
to do some practical takeaways before we end for today.

659
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:21.760
If a listener feels stuck or overwhelmed, what would be

660
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:26.440
your first like three steps for the next seven days

661
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:31.280
to start getting some momentum towards feeling healthier.

662
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:35.239
Oh, this is a great question. So the first thing

663
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.519
that you want to do is get out a pen

664
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.119
or pencil and paper. Don't use a computer because what

665
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.800
you write down goals that you write down scientifically proven,

666
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:49.639
those are the goals that you will achieve. So hand right,

667
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.719
But keep this private. Don't share this with anyone just yet.

668
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.960
It's going to be down the road when it's safe

669
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.840
to share it. And here's why you're free. And family

670
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:03.880
who know that you're struggling with whatever the issue is,

671
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:09.000
whether it's relationships or work or health, they're going to

672
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:12.480
probably try to talk you out of it because they

673
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:14.559
want to keep you safe. They want to try and

674
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:18.440
protect you, right, So don't share it at first. They'll

675
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:23.480
try to poopoo your ideas. So write down what your

676
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:25.639
new normal will look like, and write it in the

677
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:31.280
present tense. I am a fiction writer. If that's a

678
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.639
goal for you, write it down in the present tense.

679
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.679
And the next thing that you want to do is

680
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:45.000
write a list of things that will get you to

681
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.159
where you want to be. And so for.

682
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.719
Example, that's like, how do I get there?

683
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:54.159
The action steps, the action steps. So one of my

684
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.920
goals was to switch from being a tech CEO because

685
00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:01.159
that job was too physically demanding and it was texting

686
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:06.119
on my health, my physical and mental health. So I

687
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:09.239
needed to switch careers. And I wanted to become a writer.

688
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.280
So I took a course on how to become a ghostwriter.

689
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:18.360
And that was in my new normal. I am a ghostwriter.

690
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:23.519
I write about this, I write in this genre. And

691
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.320
I went to the class. I created an online profile

692
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.559
as a freelance ghostwriter and published it at eleven pm.

693
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:33.920
By one pm the next morning, I had my first

694
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:40.599
ghostwriting book deal one pm the next afternoon. So if

695
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.119
there's nothing magical about it, but I did say to myself,

696
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:50.159
because if you tell your body it's hot, I'm so hot,

697
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:55.719
I'm sweating. I'm profusely sweating. Why is it so hot

698
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:59.679
in here even though it's freezing outdoors? Your body starts

699
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.480
to phys react. So that's why in mantras and in

700
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:08.760
affirmations you say it in the present that you currently

701
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.760
already have the thing is because your body believes the

702
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:16.559
messages you give it and it will physically react that way.

703
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.559
And so a lot of people get stuck and they

704
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:21.840
want to make a change, but then they worry about

705
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.719
how will I ford it? Who will help me? How

706
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.679
will I get the training I need or those certifications

707
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.440
or whatever it is, How will I find them the

708
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:36.119
natural medicines. Once you get on that path towards this

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new normal, everything just becomes synchronistic and it lines up

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for you. Every opportunity I need just landed in my lap,

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almost as if I wrote it out and like a

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genie that made it happen.

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Well, it's almost like maybe how we end is basically

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saying take counter percent responsibility for yourself.

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Absolutely, because here's the thing. No one will save you,

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and no one can save you. You have to save yourself

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and The reason is because let's say you have a

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chef that cooks for you and a personal trainer that

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will lead you through all of the exercises, and your

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goal is to become fit and healthy. You're the one

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who has to take eat the food, do the workout,

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take the supplements, all of the things. No one can

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do that for you. Everything is going to come down

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to what you invest in yourself.

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So with that, let me just tell everyone that there

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will be an informational flyer about Antonette Lee on the

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website that you can go access, and I'll make sure

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that she has you mentioned a couple of things, so

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I'll make sure that we have information on how to

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people access those resources that you talked about. So our

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time is up. We have got to say goodbye for today.

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I think that we could talk about other aspects of

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this very easily at another time.

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Thank you so much for having me Benita.

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I loved having you here. It was just fascinating listening

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to your journey. Go outside now and take another walk

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and or maybe shovel shovel some snow, depending on the

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you know what it's doing out there right now. So

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with that, thank you so much everyone for joining the

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Ask Good Questions Podcast and we'll see you next time.

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Today's episode is over, but we need Ask Good Questions again,

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didn't We don't miss out as we broadcast live every Wednesday,

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six pm Eastern Time on W four CY Radio at

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w four cy dot com. Join Anita Belle m'erson next

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week for more conversations with experts on finances, retirement, behavioral

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finance issues, health and wellness, and more. Until then, remember

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to ask good questions.